Political Forum
     

Go Back   Political Forum > General Political Chat > Current Events


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 05:12 PM
sputterman sputterman is offline
Analyst
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,078
sputterman is on a distinguished road
Credits: 10,742
Default Port Security, the real story: Profit over security!

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch...ecked_0406.pdf

It looks like the link doesn't work so you will have to type it all in. It's well worth it. Be advised, it is a long@ss article and it is political. It will definately open your eyes.
__________________
the memories of a man in his old age
are the deeds of a man in his prime

roger waters
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Red Cross - Donate Today    Save the Rainforest
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 05:24 PM
noetsi noetsi is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,325
noetsi is on a distinguished road
Credits: 9,597
Default Profits always

trump security.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 06:18 PM
JP5's Avatar
JP5 JP5 is offline
Site Moderator
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 21,882
us texas
JP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond reputeJP5 has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 144,222
Default G

The AFL-CIO? Get serious. It's a union against management. Same old story.

Do they really want to know why no one is asking about why our port security isn't better since 9/11? Because......we've had NO PORT SECURITY issues. So......the AFL-CIO wants to pour YET MORE MONEY into a problem that really isn't a problem. There's always a cost/benefit/ratio to consider. Who's to say we're not spending the correct amount now.....considering we've had no port issues? We don't do 100% security checks at most places. The real reason the AFL-CIO doesn't like Wal-Mart is because they think they haven't picked up enough of the eployees heathcare costs and other benefits. And because they think the salaries aren't enough. And YET......if all that were true, why would there be long lines of people trying to get hired by them whenever a new Wal-Mart stores opens?

It kinda reminds me of those people who complain about America......and yet don't seem to wonder why it is that 11 million people...AND MORE.... want to come here to live and work.
__________________
"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 06:42 PM
sputterman sputterman is offline
Analyst
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,078
sputterman is on a distinguished road
Credits: 10,742
Default First spin of the day

Quote:
Originally Posted by JP5";p=&quot View Post
The AFL-CIO? Get serious. It's a union against management. Same old story.

Do they really want to know why no one is asking about why our port security isn't better since 9/11? Because......we've had NO PORT SECURITY issues. So......the AFL-CIO wants to pour YET MORE MONEY into a problem that really isn't a problem. There's always a cost/benefit/ratio to consider. Who's to say we're not spending the correct amount now.....considering we've had no port issues? We don't do 100% security checks at most places. The real reason the AFL-CIO doesn't like Wal-Mart is because they think they haven't picked up enough of the eployees heathcare costs and other benefits. And because they think the salaries aren't enough. And YET......if all that were true, why would there be long lines of people trying to get hired by them whenever a new Wal-Mart stores opens?

It kinda reminds me of those people who complain about America......and yet don't seem to wonder why it is that 11 million people...AND MORE.... want to come here to live and work.
There are no port security issues? Where have you been?
__________________
the memories of a man in his old age
are the deeds of a man in his prime

roger waters
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 06:48 PM
noetsi noetsi is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,325
noetsi is on a distinguished road
Credits: 9,597
Default Its generally acknowledged there are very serious port

security problems. I will try to find the recent report on that.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 06:59 PM
noetsi noetsi is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,325
noetsi is on a distinguished road
Credits: 9,597
Default I wrote this on another board but

I am to lazy to rewrite it, so here it is in its entirety.
The link is to old to work it was a couple of months ago.

Addressing major concerns stressed by his own party the President responded "I can understand people's consternation because the first thing they heard was that a foreign company would be in charge of our port security when in fact, the Coast Guard and Customs are in charge of our port security," Bush said Feb. 28. "Our duty is to protect America, and we will protect America."

As if somehow that dealt with a single one of the specific concerns raised details, details, details...

In other news the DHS just released a neat paper on port security.


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The study found serious lapses by private companies at foreign and American ports, aboard ships, and on trucks and trains "that would enable unmanifested materials or weapons of mass destruction to be introduced into the supply chain." The study, expected to be completed this fall, used satellites and experimental monitors to trace roughly 20,000 cargo containers out of the millions arriving each year from Europe, Asia and the Middle East. Most containers are sealed with mechanical bolts that can be cut and replaced or have doors that can be removed by dismantling hinges.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The risks from smuggled weapons are especially worrisome because U.S. authorities largely decide which cargo containers to inspect based on shipping records of what is thought to be inside.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



lol I hope terrorist don't know how to read and write. Otherwise its just possible they would produce false shipping records.

Some of the findings nearly four and half years after 9/11 and zillions of dollars spent on our war in Iraq to make us safe from terrorism.


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Safety problems were not limited to overseas ports. A warehouse in Maine was graded less secure than any in Pakistan, Turkey or Brazil. "There is a perception that U.S. facilities benefit from superior security protection measures," the study said. "This mind set may contribute to a misplaced sense of confidence in American business practices."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No records were kept of "cursory" inspections in Guatemala for containers filled with Starbucks Corp. coffee beans shipped to the West Coast. "Coffee beans were accessible to anyone entering the facility," the study said. It found significant mistakes on manifests and other paperwork.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Adding a little cyanide etc to food shipments abroad would not only generate wide spread panic, it would totally disrupt trade something the administration is commited to preventing. Its absurdly easy to do, only the lack of imagination by terrorist not security prevents it.


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Truck drivers in Brazil were permitted to take cargo containers home overnight and park along public streets. Trains in the U.S. stopped in rail yards that did not have fences and were in high-crime areas. A shipping industry adage reflects unease over such practices: "A container at rest is a container at risk."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



gee how did that twenty pounds of C-4 happen to get into this shipment of hydrocloric acid....or toxic waste.


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Practices at Turkey's Port of Izmir were "totally inadequate by U.S. standards." But, the study noted, "It has been done that way for decades in Turkey."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



well then that explains it....


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Containers could be opened aboard some ships during weekslong voyages to America. "Due to the time involved in transit (and) the fact that most vessel crew members are foreigners with limited credentialing and vetting, the containers are vulnerable to intrusion during the ocean voyage," the study said.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



"Hey John its really great how we were able to get those crew members on such short notice and at such cheap a price, it was a real godsend. I do wish however they would quit scrawling "Allah inhalak" on all the cargo"


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some governments will not help tighten security because they view terrorism as an American problem. The U.S. said "certain countries," which were not identified, would not cooperate in its security study — "a tangible example of the lack of urgency with which these issues are regarded."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Gee maybe if we had not alienated three quarters of the world public we would get more coperation....



quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In theory, some nuclear materials inside cargo containers can be detected with special monitors. But such devices have frustrated port officials in New Jersey because bananas, kitty litter and fire detectors — which all emit natural radiation — set off the same alarms more than 100 times every day.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I feel safer already...


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Finding biological and chemical weapons inside cargo containers is less likely. The study said tests were "labor intensive, time-consuming and costly to use" and produced too many false alarms. "No silver bullet has emerged to render terrorists incapable of introducing WMD into containers," it said.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The silver bullet is they lack the WMD and the imagination to use it. And that most terrorist actually have limited interest in attacking the US outside their home area something entirely missed by the administration which has gone out of its way to stir up trouble with them abroad.

http://tinyurl.com/pt9bu
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 07:24 PM
SenaxFlatulus's Avatar
SenaxFlatulus SenaxFlatulus is offline
Site Moderator
Guru
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Indiana
Posts: 8,369
usa us indiana
SenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud ofSenaxFlatulus has much to be proud of
Credits: 45,464
Default noetsi

The url you linked gave this message:
Quote:
Sorry, the page you requested was not found.
It probably worked whenever you first posted it. Now, the page has been put in an archive somewhere that will undoubtedly need a subscription in order to access. Many times news outlets post an article free to the public for a few days and then archive it.

This is why, whenever I post an article, I paste the article and the link on the thread. Even if they retire it to the archives, we can still refer to it here.

I'm not trying to say you're lying, but the first step in credibility is to make every effort to give other readers verifiable sources. Otherwise, anything could be typed into a post with no means to check for accuracy.
__________________
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 07:41 PM
amepro amepro is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,472
amepro is on a distinguished road
Credits: 13,914
Default .

hmmm... The link just worked for me, that's odd.
__________________
I've been informed....don't blame Bush, he's "not in control"
That must make him out of control
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-13-2006, 08:08 PM
noetsi noetsi is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,325
noetsi is on a distinguished road
Credits: 9,597
Default That is why

I posted this in my last post at the top.

Quote:
The link is to old to work it was a couple of months ago.
The information quoted comes from the DHS report the link went to. The rest was my silly comments.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Sponsored Links

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4
Advertisement System V2.1 By   Branden