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Old 04-14-2006, 07:21 AM
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There is an oxygen-starved "dead zone" in Lake Erie. Many international scientists with extensive equipment and research vessels are gathering in Ohio to find out why.
Among them are the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) landlocked Ann Arbor, Michigan Great Lakes Environmental Research Laboratory. They will be the leaders in the 2-year long study.
If the construction keeps up on Michigan roadways it will probably take them that long just to drive down there.
Included will be dozens of scientists and their graduate students from Canada, Great Lakes states, universities and some other federal agencies, because one is just not enough when it comes to spending money.
Some of the researchers have already pegged certain reasons for the dead zone including the zebra mussel – but they haven’t explained that one too well. Low water levels, fertilizer and other chemical runoff may be investigated if they come up empty on the zebra mussel.
Apparently preparing to spend as much money as he can before he gets started, Stephen Brandt, director of the landlocked lab in Ann Arbor stated, "We not only want to find out why this is happening, we want to find out how it might affect the food web and what the consequences might be."
One possible reason they will not be investigating is the impact of High Pressure Injection wells. There are two sets of them, one on each side of Cleveland, where the problem seems to be centered.
The dead-zone is just like the dead zones that have appeared with increasing frequency in the Gulf of Mexico.
The reason that these large bodies of deoxygenated water with higher than usual levels of salt in them are appearing in the Gulf of Mexico is most likely due to water being pushed out of the earth far from injection points.
In Michigan – the waters encased deep within the earth are also largely without oxygen and if they are pushed to the surface or near the surface where they can enter the lake body they will cause as much damage and trouble as the floating dead zones in the Gulf of Mexico.
Don’t expect these landlubbers to check these problems out, however, they will most likely be spending the season tripping over deck ropes and sailing amongst the picturesque islands of Lake Erie and spending their evening writing really long reports.
Result – lots of money spent and nothing solved.
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:16 AM
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very interesting information, and i'm suprised ive not heard about it as well actually

do you happen to have a link ?
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:25 AM
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Links to what?
Are you looking to confirm?
Use lycos.com, yahoo.com, excite.com or google.com or some other search engine.
I will be willing to discuss this matter with you if you will show enough interest to raise your own level of understanding of the matter by yourself.
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Old 04-14-2006, 12:45 PM
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Cranston, it's considered simple courtesy to provide a link to whatever information you wish to discuss. It also helps ensure that everyone is discussing the same text.

As a practical matter, you'll get a lot more people willing to discuss it, too.
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Old 04-14-2006, 02:05 PM
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http://www.epa.gov/glnpo/lakeerie/eriedeadzone.html
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Old 04-14-2006, 04:22 PM
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"Cranston, it's considered simple courtesy to provide a link to whatever information you wish to discuss. It also helps ensure that everyone is discussing the same text. "

Discussing the same text?
You mean you don't take the information you are provided and work from that? You have to have a link back to some previous item?

Where does it end?

More accurately - where did it begin?
Give me an example of this courtesy - where did it begin?

When writing scientific or technical papers it might be necessary to provide reference points but the items I have provided are derived from my consideration of a vast array of resources. If I were to give you all the reference points I have that aided me in coming to my conclusions then where would you begin?

Are you asking me to tell you what to read and what conclusions to draw from it?

Let's see if you can keep up :

Someone started with epa.gov - go there and look up 'Great Lakes' and 'Pollution'.

Also - review all materials that are connected with things known as High Pressure Injection Toxic Waste Wells.

You will also want to review geology texts and become acquainted with ground water flow and the structure of the lands surrounding the Great Lakes specifically those (for this 'discussion') that have to do with Lake Erie.

You can find several of these reference materials at your local library or you can use lycos.com, yahoo.com, excite.com, google.com or other search engines like ARCHIE.

Let's see - you can also run queries on the topic in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, Reuters and UPI.

After you have collected all this information, then sift through it, read, consider it and regurgitate. Then write something about it. Then attend a meeting about. Discuss it with your friends, associates and family.

Then write something else about it that encapsulates information you think would be useful to your fellow citizens and humans.

That's what I did.
That's your 'link'. It's in my head and if you don't agree with what I am writing you don't have to interact with me.

As an administrator you can censor what is written here and I can't stop you. I don't want to stop you. I would like to be left alone like the others that post but because I think and most likely because I don't think like you or express myself in a way that you approve of you attack me, ask me for 'links' as if there is one single source.

If you don't believe what I am writing that's okay.
There is nothing in what I have written which is plagiarized and I attempt at all times to present novel and unique ideas about current situations. I don't care what others think about this situation. I care what I think about it and I shared my thoughts.

What else do you want?

If you want to interact with me you will have to work really hard.
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Old 04-14-2006, 04:33 PM
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Heheheh... I know how ya feel brother.

However.

Ray was simply being nice to you my friend. he was not acting as a moderator but as a fellow poster.

Furthermore, when I start a thread I usually provide the relevant information. When I am simply commenting on a thread, I feel I am simply offering my 'take' and don't provide a source. It's a take it or leave it sort of thing.

Your best recourse would have been to provide your opinion and then provide links to some of the relevant material. Trust me. This board will read it and discuss it. This board's got some of the best posters on the internets.
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Thanks but you are off subject.
Thanks for writing but I won't be replying to you on this subject again.
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Apparently we missed the fact that debating with cranston is a privilege and an honor that we must qualify for.

Cranston, the other reason you post a link is so people can see your source of information; it's like a citation in a position paper. Otherwise the logical conclusion is that you're making stuff up. Sure, people can google the topic to check, but why should they bother? Most won't.

If you want to get people interested in your topic and start discussing it, link to your sources.
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Look at NOAA.gov or EPA.gov
My conversation with you has ended.
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