hahahaha of course the cursed Goldess antichrist jews would never compromise to that. . .and neither would the deluded "Christian" zionists. . . .but the arabs have to compromise. .but never the jews. . .go figure. . . .

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...78FEFF0500.htm
Hamas: Israel recognition against land
Friday 21 April 2006, 14:50 Makka Time, 11:50 GMT
Peace with Israel is achievable only if it returns land seized in 1967, including Jerusalem, back to Palestine, a senior Hamas leader has said.

Khalid Mishaal, Hamas's chief political officer, told ZDF, a German public television channel on Friday: "Israel must withdraw from territories it has occupied since 1967. This includes the capital of Jerusalem." Other conditions Mishaal said include "the right of refugees to return as well as the dismantlement of Jewish settlements, the destruction of the separation barrier and the release of all (Palestinian) detainees. "If and only if Israel does this, then Hamas, Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims will be ready for true peace." The Palestinian Authority has said there can be no peace unless Israel gives up all Palestinian territory conquered in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

Hamas, considered a terrorist group by the European Union and United States, refuses to recognise Israel and has failed to renounce violence since taking power after a landslide win in January's election.

Cash emergency

The Palestinian Authority is currently facing a financial emergency because of EU and US funding cuts to the Hamas-led government. However, Mishaal said several countries had committed themselves to give money to the Palestinian Authority. He said: "Iran has committed up to $50 million, Saudi Arabia $92.5 million, Qatar $50 million and Russia $10 million."

Mishaal also described Monday's suicide attack in Tel Aviv by an Islamic Jihad bomber as "an act of self-defence."

In the interview, he said: "The international community would have done better to halt Israeli aggression rather than punish the Palestinian people for having chosen their government in free elections."
AFP

Jerusalem is regarded as the eternal and exclusive capital of the Jews, it cannot be shared with the Palestinians. Therefore, strategically, Western governments are placed under pressure by Christian Zionists to relocate their embassies to Jerusalem and thereby recognize the fact.

Stephen Sizer, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armegeddon? (Leicester: 2004) Page 252.

Since Christian Zionists are convinced there will be an apocalyptic war between good and evil in the near future, there is no prospect for lasting peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, to advocate that Israel compromise with Islam or coexist with Palestinians is to identify with those to oppose God and Israel in the imminent battle of Armegeddon.

Stephen Sizer, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armegeddon? (Leicester: 2004) Page 252.

It is simply unrealistic to expect Israelis to give up Jerusalem. The Israelis have done many despicable things, but they have always provided access to the Temple Mount and Al Aqsaa.

The Israelis have come to their senses and have given up the idea of greater Israel. The Arabs have the advantage long term. Why not just make peace and provide a new market for the Americans and Chinese to exploite, and make everyone wealthier? You need to watch Forest Gump.

Hahahahhaaa it is simplely unrealistic that the arabs should have to give up a single inch of arab land to the jews. . . .since it is all arab land. . . .

The cursed Godless antichrist jews need to come to their senses and leave since until they leave there will never be peace. . . and the arabs have the time since cursed Godless antichrist jews can't breed as fast as the arabs since cursed Godless antichrist jews are cursed when it comes to breeding. . .. . . .

http://www.counterpunch.org/halper04222006.html
April 22 / 23, 2006
Elections in Palestine and Israel
SUMUD vs. Apartheid

By JEFF HALPER

This is, as they say, the crunch. This is the political moment all Israeli governments--all of them, Labour, Likud and 'National Unity'--have been working towards the past four decades of Occupation: the final push for an expanded Israel, the permanent foreclosure of any viable Palestinian state and a unilateral declaration that the conflict with the Palestinians is over. Indeed, it is the final taking of the entire Land of Israel between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River that Zionism has dreamed of for the past century.

On the surface, Israel's election was humdrum, with none of the 31 parties running raising issues that grabbed the public. No party emerged 'victorious' or in a position of domination. The largest party in the Parliament, Kadima, Sharon's party now run by Olmert, received only 29 seats out of 120. Overall, the election saw the strengthening of the Right, even the extreme right (I don't accept the notion that Kadima of Sharon and Olmert is a 'Center' party; it's extreme right-wing, only slicker) i.e. those parties that refuse to even consider the notion of a viable Palestinian state, won 73 seats. The number of left/liberal seats stands only at 30.

Humdrum sums up how the Israeli public viewed the election. The only substantial issue raised was that of the plight of poor and working class Israelis, and that issue failed to ignite any popular enthusiasm. Yet it is precisely this 'hum-drum-ness' that is the big news. Ehud Olmert put his intentions right in the public's face: the most immediate and pressing task of his new government will be to determine the permanent borders of Israel, meaning that the massive settlement blocs, the 'greater' Jerusalem area and the Jordan Valley will be annexed to Israel, confining the Palestinians to some five isolated, impoverished and non-viable cantons (Sharon's term) that they will be expected to accept as their 'state'.

Of course, Olmert's plan was presented with a positive spin characterized by terminology to do Orwell proud. Hitkansut or 'withdrawing into oneself' in Hebrew is the operational phase of 'separation' from the Palestinians, and seems exactly what the public wanted (a full 85% of Israeli Jews support the construction of the Wall, or 'Separation Barrier'). Perhaps that is the reason it generated no public discussion, no dissent and ended up a non-issue. It does not mean, however, withdrawal of Israel back to its pre-1967 territory, but rather a 'convergence' of Israeli settlers scattered throughout the West Bank into Israel's major settlement blocs. Though the idea of leaving territories densely populated by Palestinians sounds good to Israeli Jews, it really means apartheid. And it will be imposed unilaterally because Israel has nothing to offer the Palestinians. True, they get 70-85% of the Occupied Territories, but only in truncated enclaves. Israel retains control of all the borders, Palestinian movement among the cantons, all the water and the richest agricultural land, the large settlement blocs including "greater" Jerusalem (which accounts for 40% of the Palestinian economy), the Palestinians' airspace and even their communications. Indeed, Israel retains all the developmental potential of the country, leaving the Palestinians with only barren and disconnected enclaves. Israel expands onto 85% of the entire country, leaving the Palestinians--the majority population or soon to be--with only about 15%, and that truncated, non-viable and only semi-sovereign. A Bantustan a la apartheid South Africa.

What the outside world considers important--the conflict with Palestinians, Occupation, the Wall, settlements, possibilities for peace--are non-issues in Israel. Most Israeli Jews agree that (1) the Palestinians don't want peace, (2) therefore there is no political solution to the conflict, (3) separation is the best course and thus (4) Israel must keep all of Jerusalem and its major settlements. There is simply nothing to discuss. The entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been reduced, for Israeli Jews, to one technical issue: how do we manage terrorism and secure our personal security.

So where does that leave the Palestinians after their election of a Hamas government? Nowhere, as far as Israel is concerned. The election of Hamas legitimized in the eyes of Israeli Jews and the international community Israel's intention of proceeding unilaterally, thus facilitating the move towards an apartheid regime. Left with no ability to pursue an agenda of its own, even that of a two-state solution as embodied in the Road Map, the Palestinians have fallen back on the most powerful tactic of the powerless: non-cooperation. Their vote proclaimed in a loud voice 'The hell with all of you'--the US and Europe that do nothing to end the Occupation; Israel who has closed off the possibility of a viable Palestinian state by expanding into Palestinian areas, and then blames the Palestinians for preventing peace; Fatah, that, in addition to enabling corruption, failed to effectively pursue the Palestinians' national agenda of self-determination.

Knowing that the conflict is too destabilizing for the global system to let fester, the Palestinians are saying: We will remain sumud, steadfast. Impose on us an apartheid system, blame us for the violence while ignoring Israeli State Terror, pursue your programs of American Empire or your self-righteous notion of a 'clash of civilizations'--we Palestinians will not submit. We will not cooperate. We will not play your rigged game. And in the end your power will be for naught. So costly will we make this conflict to Israel, the US and the international community that you will come to us to sue for peace. We will be ready for a just peace that respects the rights of all the peoples of the region, including the Israelis. But you will not beat us.

The two elections pit apartheid against sumud. If injustice is ultimately unsustainable, I bet on the latter.

Jeff Halper is the Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) and a candidate, with the Palestinian peace activist Ghassan Andoni, for the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize. He can be reached at jeff@icahd.org.

This essay originally appeared in The New Internationalist.

Jews are not alone in their high rates of exogamy. American hyphenated Greeks, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Poles, Czechoslovakians, Italians are undergoing high levels of intermarriage. But there are differences. They have a higher birthrates than Jews;Jews are the oldest mean-aged ethnic group in America; the Jewish birthrate barely matches its mortality rate; all this within two generations of our having lost fully one-third of our numbers in Hitler's war against us. In Argentina , where anti-Semitism seems endemic, the number of practicing Jews has declined from 500,000 to 300,000 in the last generation. The decline, ironically, is not attributed to anti-Semitism per se as to assimilation-------itself the product of weakening Jewish educational institutions.

Nathan Perlmutter and Ruth Ann Perlmutter. “The Real Anti-Semitism In America” (New York: 1982) page 291.

ex·og·a·my Audio pronunciation of "exogamy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-sg-m)
n.

1. The custom of marrying outside the tribe, family, clan, or other social unit.
2.Biology. The fusion of two gametes that are not closely related.

“And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:” Deuteronomy 28:62-65

“Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.” Deuteronomy 7:14

“Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.” Matthew 27:25


”And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation. And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them. Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph. And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we: Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.” Exodus 1:6-10

Jerusalem should be reverted back to an International Zone/UN Mandate Zone or whatever they called it. The Israelis and the Palestinians could both have their governments operate out of it but neither side should control it.

. . . .go figure the Cursed Godless Antichrist jews and the "Christian" Zionists want the UN to deal with Iran but not in Israel. . .yet the arabs want the UN to be deployed in Palestine. . . .and the arabs "refuse" to compromise. . . .hahahahaaaa

So the Jews are barred access to their holiest sites by Muslems for years but we should somehow revert back to an international city. maybe i should make something clear about Jerusalem .. It's holy o the Chroistians because Jesus was Jewish and was here for Passover when he was crusifide .. It's the 3rd holiest site for Muslems. Muslems in Jerusalem pray towards Meca. Jerusalem was never visited by Muhamed. Jerusalem is in fact never mentioned in the quoran. Al Aqsa means "the edge" ... the edge of the Herodian plaza built to accomodate the second temple. So I will give this city to the inept hands of the UN when Meca and Vatican City become wards of the international community. This is only the home of 2 other religions by virtue of it's Jewish history. You can come n visist and worship as you like, but the City stays exactly as it is ... Jewish ... the City of David.

As far as Hamas, they have made it publicly clear that the ultimate goal will always be the complete destruction of Israel. Pardon me for not meeting their demands. Shamgar is on the same page "Hahahahhaaa it is simplely unrealistic that the arabs should have to give up a single inch of arab land to the jews. . . .since it is all arab land. . . .". So the wall will come up and the Palestinians will have to form a real country based on something other than hate. If you want proof that Hamas has no intention of living in peace with Israel, just look at their demands ... "conditions Mishaal said include "the right of refugees to return". In other words, demographic suicide. No thanks !!

Actually Sham has it pretty much on the nose ... "Most Israeli Jews agree that (1) the Palestinians don't want peace, (2) therefore there is no political solution to the conflict, (3) separation is the best course and thus (4) Israel must keep all of Jerusalem and its major settlements. There is simply nothing to discuss. The entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been reduced, for Israeli Jews, to one technical issue: how do we manage terrorism and secure our personal security. "
EXACTLY !!!! Now get over it. We have understood perfectly well that a good chunk of the Palestinian population has been fed the BS about returning to Israel proper for so long that they can't accept the state of Israel existing ... period. OK ... Good fences make good neighbors. Seperation. I have no intention of living in a war zone forever. Seperation is good. If the Palestinians feel that future relations with Israel are in their best interests then they can take it up then. Till then reap what you have sown.

Not until every cursed Godless antichrist jews is out of Palestine. . . which was the cursed Godless antichrist jew's intentions for the arabs to start with. . . so the cursed Godless antichrist jews are reaping what cursed Godless antichrist jews have sown. ..SO GET OVER IT!

Schlomo Lavi, who had already voiced his support for transfer at the Ihud Po'alei Tzion Convention in 1937, said that “the...transfer of Arabs out of the country in my eyes is one of the most just, moral and correct things that can be done. I have thought this for many years. This was seconded by Avraham Katnelson, another influential Mapai leader, who opined that there was nothing “more moral, from the viewpoint of universal human ethic, than the emptying of the Jewish state of Arabs and their transfer elsewhere....This requires [the use of] force.”(62)

Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of “Transfer” in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948. Nur Masalha. (Washington, D.C.: 1992) Page 129.

Ahad Ha'am (Ahser Zvi Ginzberg), a liberal Russian Jewish thinker who visited Palestine in 1891, published a series of articles in the Hebrew periodical Hamelitz that were sharply critical of the ethnocentricity of political Zionism as well as the exploitation of Palestinian of Palestinian peasantry by Zionist colonists.(9) Ahad Ha'am, who sought to draw attention to the fact that Palestine was not an empty territory and that the presence of another people on the land posed problems., observed that the Zionist “pioneers” believed that “the only language the Arabs understand is that of force.... [They] behave towards the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly upon their boundaries, beat them shamefully without reason and even brag about it, and nobody stands to check this contemptible and dangerous tendency.” He cut to the heart of the matter when he ventured that the colonists' aggressive attitude towards the native peasants stemmed from their anger “towards those who reminded them that there is still another people in the land of Israel that have been living there and does not intend to leave.”(10)
Another early settler, Yitzhaq Epstein, who arrived in Palestine from Russia in 1886, warned not only of the moral implication of Zionist colonization but also of the political dangers inherent in the enterprise. In 1907, at a time when Zionist land purchases in Galilee were stirring opposition among Palestinian peasants forced off the land sold by absentee landlords, Epstein wrote a controversial article entitled “The Hidden Question,” in which he strongly criticized the methods by which Zionists had purchased Arab land. In his view, these methods entailing dispossession of Arab farmers were bound to cause political confrontation in the future.” Reflected in the Zionist establishment's angry response to Epstein's article(12) are two principal features of mainstream Zionist thought: the belief that Jewish acquisition of land took precedence over moral consideration and the advocacy of separatist and exclusionist Yishuv.

Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of “Transfer” in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948. Nur Masalha. (Washington, D.C.: 1992) Page 7-8.

I am reaping brother Shamgar. I'm reaping a solid economy. I'm reaping the best Easter/Passover tourist season in years. This place is hopping I tell ya. The night life is awesome. The atmosphere is festive. And yes, the wall is coming up fast. Most seem very pleased and understanding about it.

1 question for you Shami ... Was Israel not Jewsish and Christian before it was Muslem ?! By your logic the Spaniards should give up Spain, as some Muslems are calling for, since they did rule there at one point. Just cause a Muslem has set foot in a land does not make it the personal playground of Allah. High time Muslem ego got put in check. But not for Sham since this is about Christians and Muslems getting all n Jews getting nada. Too bad sonny boy. Israel is a fact and the sooner you deal with it the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night. Otherwise I promise you a lifetime of retless bedtimes. I ain't going nowhere !!

Oh yeah? Well you're a BIG FAT POOPY-HEAD!







That told him

LOL
Guess that only works one way..

Theres alot to discuss Jerusalem is not a Muslim,Christian, or Jewish city it is all 3 and no group especially the children on both sides there now should control it.

Theres nothign though to discuss with you becasue other then the Religion you use You are Hamas.