Oh Entsetzen, to be young and moralistic as you. I wish everyone would be. I am venturing a guess that you have never set foot in the middle east and are playing devil's advocate.

Do you realize that Iran lost a lawsuit a few years back. The plaintif was a Jewish father whose daughter died in a terrorist attack by Iranian backed terrorists. The deal sealier was the fact that Iran, in it's budget, had set aside some X million dollars towards terrorism against Israe. Now the US wouldn't let the father tap the money frozen in the US for reasons not needed to go into at this point. Point being that Iran does support, openly, acts of violence against Israel. They also assasinate people in other countries, such as disodents in Europe. They put bounties on peoples' heads like the author of books they find offensive.

Long story short, giving Iran nukes is like giving Bam Bam the fine china. And as for the US using nuclear weapons against Japan, I agree that it was a bit over the top since one would have certainly gotten the message across, but remember who fired the first gun in that feud. Pearl Harbor was not exactly a gentlemanly act of war.

indeed i am young, and i do apologize for the fact my conception couldn't have been a little earlier. and as well, yes my morals do tend to get in the way of my thinking. however,in response to your claim of Iran sponsoring terrorist action...

have you heard of the school of Americas? also known as the school of assassins? where WE train Latin Americans in psychological warfare, assassination, coup-staging techniques, among numerous other military tactics. and thanks to such programs, the SOA graduates have been responsible for the toppling of numerous governments in south America...granted this is off topic, it does display the US's support for terrorist activities against our neighbors, which is one thing we despise Iran for

also

do you remember the little coup-attempt in the 50's where Kermit and friends lead a joint CIA SIS mission to overthrow mosedegh? if not, then its ok, i won't bore you with a history lesson....lets just say Iran has all the reason in the world to distrust / hate Americans and the British due to such acts. which is a good reasoning for them to not particularly trust us now and to wantt such weapons as a form of defense...i mean we tried to overthrow their government, why would they, right? and we're right next door with a majority of our armed forces along with leaked plans of a nuclear strike? they would be insane to not at least contemplate the idea of developing nukes...

agreed..pearl harbor was definitely inexcusable, but then again, even dropping one nuclear bomb in the heart of a bustling civilian city is going overboard...

and no, i've never been to the middle east...i probably won't make it until after grad school either, so i'm estimating a trip around 2010/2011 and you're more than welcome to come along if you would like

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For the record, Rebellion, Iran has NEVER threatened to use a nuclear weapon on Israel, or on anyone else. Just because some idiot misinterprets a bit of overblown rhetoric (and Arab leaders are prone to overblown rhetoric) which threatens Israel with (divine) destruction doesn't mean that Iran plans to nuke Israel.

did Iran threaten a nuclear attack? I must of missed that.

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look at the mirror: USA could decide to liberate the entire middle east and bring stability like in Iraq if we do not acquire nukes, We have to destroy them NOW- period.

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the School of the Americas. I always wondered why we had to go half way around the world to stop genocide, when we could stop it here in this hemisphere and save money, just by shutting down the School of the Americas.

And what about the Shah? What a guy the CIA chose to run Iran after deposing the democratically elected President. No wonder they hate us.

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deposing the democratically elected President.



http://www.iranchamber.com/history/m...d_mosaddeq.php

i recommend a future read for you

all the shah's men - Stephen kinzer

tells a different story, one that Kermit Roosevelt was the leader of the coup attempt...one that he used propaganda techniques to slander mosaddeq, calling him a communist as your article so displays was common. our government along with the British paid the people to stage protests, pass out flyers, and start riots to create a public fear of the leader, and a want to have him removed nationwide...

he was really the one being democratic and allowed the press to say what they will because he believed in the freedoms they should have...its not our place to replace leaders in other countries...especially over oil interests, which in this case, was the loss of the anglo-iranian oil company

not enough people in the nation really care about south America enough to do anything, its like our hemisphere's Africa...we kinda know things are bad down there, but our country as a whole would rather not bother

there is a movement, www.soaw.org , lobbying for a shut down of the program and a suspension of the training

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Duh's citation is telling. Nowhere in the brief article does an election get mentioned. Poster Duh seeks to imply that the CIA didn't overthrow their democratically elected leader but his article does not support his contention. Such misdirection is worthy of Bush the Lame.
There are those who argue that Jews were not systematically rounded up and exterminated by the Germans during WW2.
Both Duh and the Nazi apologists are wrong.

Please read...
A year later (1954) the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Guatemala. They had begun nationalizing the unused land then owned by United Fruit.

Our high schools do not teach the vile side of USA history. As a result, the masses here assume there was none. The rest of the world knows better.

that didn't happen?

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