As I know Maskhadov family has made a request to our government to give them political asylum under the pretense of hunting for their heads by unknown people. According to opinion of representatives of former Chechen field-commanders families’ real danger threatens them. Seeking for asylum Chechens are afraid to address other countries because there they will be under the molly-coddle too. Moreover they say that everywhere where they were (Turkey, Georgia, Quatar and Azerbaijan) the murderous assaults happened in result of terrorist acts.
I don’t know who could threaten Chechens but I understand that on their heels international terrorism will come to Finland. Look, the fact is that during the Chechen war those field-commanders killed a lot of people and as a result of it they have got a lot of deadly enemies. People who lost their relatives are trying to annihilate those Chechens. More over I think that they are changing one country after another ‘cause the local officials are pushing them out. The reason is they are trying to realize their traditional business - illegal weapons trade.
And no one will guarantee that with their coming that hunt for Chechens heads will stop. The hands of terrorism are long and I think that terrorists will get them in Finland too. It will endanger its national security by giving political asylum to Chechens. I don’t think Suomi need acts of terrorism; it’s a peaceful country, which doesn’t want to see blood and war on its own territory.

Where's Spork? He should have something to say about this.

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

Just because they are Chechen does not mean they are terrorists. TTT why don't you talk about the Russian acts of terror over the centuries ? During the Czarists days minorities and people from captive nations were subjected to genocide. During the Bolshevik civil war both the Whites and the Reds killed non Russians. During the 1930's Russians murdered 8-10 million Ukraininas via a contrived famine. Later in the 1930's and q1940's Stalin conducted purges and non Russians including Jews were murdered. How about the muder of 10, 000 officers of the Polish Army at KATYN ?


The Chechens have not even come close to what the Russians have done as far as murdering the good non Russians peoples.

Ss far as I am concerned the Chchens are freedom fighters and the Russians have always been, are, and always will be terrorists and muderers.

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Terve mieheen.. Mistä päin olet?

One thing is to disagree with what Chechen terrorists have done to Russians.. Another thing is to disagree with what Russians have done to Chechen overall.. The people of Chechen deserve our sympathy and goodwill.. The failure of the international community to react to the Chechenians situation has been a tragedy, even if understandable considering that Russia is a major power and nuclear state.. I would say, that providing a shelter and a home to Chechenians is the least thing we can do..

I wouldn't shelter any of the actual Chechenian terrorists for obvious reasons.. Still, a nation and its children have the right to defend themselves.. If they have had some role in the Chechenian violence in the battleground - fine - I don't have a problem with that.. At least as long they follow the Finnish law, when living here..

- BtD

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"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows."
[George Orwell, 1984]

That is true that it doesn't mean they're terrorists, but whoever is right and wrong in that fight, there is no excuse for taking over a school and murdering children. None. If you do that, then right or wrong, you are evil and you are a terrorist.

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

Then, let's make a difference between the terrorists and the Chechen main population.. For the Chechenian main population, including the insurgents, one can feel nothing, but compassion.. The Russian voyage works as an example of a complete unethical and selfish war of our age.. The casus belli was most likely fabricated.. The destruction caused by the Russian troops has been short of total..

The terrorist themselves might well be evil.. Still, Chechenia has been one of the greatest tragedies of the 90s, the land almost completely destroyed by the soviet forces.. Against this background, the violent reaction is - to some extend - understandable.. Desperation breeds animals.. And how cruel or bloodful the terrorist actions have ever been, those action are well comparable to the Russian attrocities in Chechenia.. And even more, the violence of the small and scattered non-military forces can barely be compared to the systematic violence that can be - and has been - practiced by the professional armies..

For me, what Russia has ultimately proven to the world with Chechenia is, that after the Tzarism and Communism, it has not forsaken totalitarian methods and so - at some level - neither its totalitarian past..

- BtD

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"Orthodoxy means not thinking - not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness."
[George Orwell, 1984]
"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows."
[George Orwell, 1984]

Rebellion wrote I never have condoned the Bedlam school attack. That was a sick act of terrorism and I have condemned it. There is also never any excuse for killing children.

What I do try to remind people of is that the Chechen revolution or fight for freedom should not be measured by the Beslan incident or the Hospital attack of a couple years earlier.

I also have and will continue to point out that just because the Chechens perpetrated a few stupid acts of terror it does not and should not erase all the horror and terror that the Russians have caused over the centuries.

The Russians acts of barbarism over the centuries does not justify acts of terror against innocent Russian children but it does help explain why some peoples who were treated as if they were horse fecal matter by the Russians now find it "fair" to play the same trick on the master murderers.

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I agree that the Russians have a history of shabby treatment of the Chechens, the US has pointed that out to Russia as well. Just pointing out that there is a large faction within their group that is involved in some pretty bad acts themselves.

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JMS gets another English lesson:

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

The result:

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.