Maybe now some of you will agree with me -- She must be getting paid.

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We're solving all sorts of problems today!

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I figure you mean JP?
You can't pay for that kind of zeal!

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"Man lives in the sunlit world of that which he believes to be reality. But unseen by most is an underworld, a place that is just as real... but not as brightly lit... A DARK SIDE!"
-opening from Tales From the Darkside

People have been focusing on the old stereotype of the "illegal migrant worker" who crosses the border to take low-wage jobs that "no one else wants".

But here's another piece of this thing that y'all should be aware of (if you're not already).

It has to do with illegal immigrants that are sent here, for the specific purpose of engaging in underworld activities.

I'll give you a f'r-instance.

Black tar heroin is big business here in Los Angeles. 90% of it comes in from Mexico. It's all run by the "Mexican Mafia", which is powerful and well organized. It's sold in particular pockets of town, the best known of which is around McArthur Park.

I happen to know this one particular guy, who works for these people. It's a 9 to 5 job for him, just like a "real" job that you or I might have. He gets paid a pretty good hourly wage (he doesn't make any commission on his sales), and he gets exactly one hour off for lunch.

He also gets a benefit package, that includes medical insurance with dental and optical. He's married and has two kids, and his family gets insurance coverage as well (we're talking real legitimate insurance, like Blue Cross or Kaiser).

Anyway, the point is, that this guy's an illegal immigrant. He has false documentation that his bosses provided for him, which basically allows him to navigate our various systems as if he were a "real American".

He lives in a reasonable size apartment that's pretty far away from where he works. In all regards except what he does for a living, he lives an entirely normal familiy life. His wife and kids go to church every Sunday, his kids are enrolled in one of the local "magnet schools", and they speak English just as well as you or I do.

And here's the interesting part: his job involves "almost no" risk. He's been specifically trained for this kind of work, and the local cops have been paid (well paid) to ignore him - on sweep day they arrest everyone but him and his buddies. And if he ever should get arrested (by mistake or whatever), his "corporation" posts his bail and provides lawyers and so on.

When people like him have outlived their usefulness in a particular city or area, they're simply moved somewhere else, to a different city or a different area.

Now, my question is, do you hear Georgie talking about stuff like this? No, you don't. W doesn't want to acknowledge that situations like this even exist. But they do, I can assure you. They're very real. There are literally tens of thousands of people like this guy, right here in the Los Angeles area, and I'm sure there are similar numbers in other metropolitan areas.

Food for thought.....

I like Mexico's immigration policy.... ....shoot them, it works very well.

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I enjoyed the competitive advantage tid bits in your post.

The benefit of kicking out 1000 illegals is that 1000 Americans get a higher paying job. The cost is that now 280 million Americans have to pay more for bacon.

Or Panama starts producing cheaper bacon, we all buy it, and EVERY american in the bacon industry loses their job.
We actually hurt our economy when we force higher wages on employers.

I like the topic because it seperates the Free Marketeers from the Socialists.

but you will hear me talking about it, because it was a huge issue in our city....

the illegals came over the border, hopped a freight train in Texas, Arizona, or San Diego, and road the freight train up to our city, where they hopped off, and got to work.

Something like 80% of the methamphetamine sold in the western U.S. right now is coming up straight from Mexico.

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[quote="catzmeow";p="238924"]but you will hear me talking about it, because it was a huge issue in our city....

the illegals came over the border, hopped a freight train in Texas, Arizona, or San Diego, and road the freight train up to our city, where they hopped off, and got to work.

Something like 80% of the methamphetamine sold in the western U.S. right now is coming up straight from Mexico.[/quote

The drug problem in the U.S is not a supply side problem, it is a demand problem. Closing the border and making everyone live in domes would not stop the drug trade. So what is your point on the last part? If it wasn't mexico, drugs would come from Canda or be produced here.
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True. But I am not forcing them to do anything. They can pay whatever wage they want. I'm even against a minimum wage. What I'm for is a level playing field where a company breaking the law is not getting an advantage over one following the law. We either have to enforce the laws on the books or say screw it and completely open the border.

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No, Catz. That's not it at all. But I AM objective enough to be able to see that at least SOME of his plan and proposals are good. At least HE has a proposal. What's YOURS?

Besides.....so you can turn on him, attack him....but I'm not allowed to defend him? Is that because you think you are RIGHT on this issue and I am not?

Personally, I tend to think reasonable people can disagree on this VERY COMPLICATED IMMIGRATION ISSUE. I don't think anybody is 100% right.

To me, it's much more REASONABLE to bring the people that are already here into our LEGAL system......requiring certain things from them...having them file and pay income taxes..... and making them work towards citizenship IF they choose to stay. Especially in lieu of trying to round up 11 million people from all across the U.S. and shipping them out. I just don't think that practical. And obviously, the President and many other leaders don't either.

So....your opinion is YOUR opinion. Just like mine is mine. Doesn't make either of us right.

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