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Old 05-19-2006, 12:29 PM
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Default I understand

I understand the poem does not look favorably on fences, which is why I was selective in the way I quoted from it. But in the context of illegal migrants crossing over, good fences do make good neighbors.
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Default Another story

on the European fence at the Spanish enclave of Ceuta:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4292840.stm



Mexico doesn't use a fence to keep out Central Americans. They use their police to beat kill and rape those who try to cross into Chiapas.
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Default indeed.

Or rather, fences keep bad neighbors out.

By the way, this fence is being built in southern EUROPE. In Mexico, they're far less civilized. If you're salvadoran or guatemalan, and trying to get into Mexico illegally, they just shoot you. That's how MEXICO handles the problem of illegal immigration. They're very utilitarian, it seems, on both their borders...they can be counted upon to do what is in Mexico's best interests.

A little historical perspective:

http://www.worldpress.org/0901feature22.htm <-----but wait, isn't this inhumane? Evil, even, when we deport Mexicans?

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Plan Sur” (Southern Plan), announced by the Mexican government [on June 19], may already be underway. Over a period of 15 days, starting on June 4, the southern border of Mexico was the stage for a large-scale police action that resulted in more than 6,000 deportations of illegal aliens to Guatemala from Mexico and 3,000 Central Americans located in Guatemala back to the borders of Nicaragua, El Salvador, and neighboring countries....

When asked by Proceso, González Navarro clarified that in 2000, Mexico had expelled from its southern border 152,967 illegal aliens. Most of them, more than 70,848, were Guatemalans, 40,892 were Hondurans, 33,960 came from El Salvador, 3,340 from Ecuador, and 1,836 from Nicaragua. The remaining aliens were citizens of other countries, mainly China and India. The immigration from Asian countries, which involves more organized immigrant trafficking rings, has appeared in the last 10 years, the Mexican official explained. He estimated that in general terms the number of deportations is increasing by 30 percent each year.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back702.html

http://www.economist.com/world/la/di...ory_id=2388487
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Default i guess we support this fence too, since we will pay for it

who says foreign aid is not well spent?
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The security fence does create some inconvenience to Palestinians, but it also saves lives. The deaths of Israelis caused by terror are permanent and irreversible whereas the hardships faced by the Palestinians are temporary and reversible.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ace/fence.html
being unjust to the Palestinians apparently is not adequate reason not to victimize them by fencing them in.
here's a justification for the israeli fence that we can use for ours:
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... the fence is not being constructed to prevent the citizens of one state from escaping; it is designed solely to keep terrorists out ...
fences are unnecessary where law is reasoned and enforced. want in, come on in, just don't expect to receive the benefits of citizenship and do expect to follow our laws. Canadians seem to understand this.
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Israels making a Ghetto out of itself to preserve the racial make up of the Chosen People. Its themselves they are fencing in. But whatever.

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fences are unnecessary where law is reasoned and enforced.
Which is why it is necessary on the southern border.

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Why is it morally wrong and stupid for us to build it, but rational and intelligent for them to build it?
Because the Europeans are so much more "cultured" then us....or something.
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Default Though no champion of the Zionist state

I can appreciate the idea of the wall they have built. Having missed two terrorist attacks by 400 meters and one day (having been at the bomb site) I can personally relate to the idea. I do not support cutting off aid to Palestine, but the wall could eventually allow these societies to coexist. They will never coexist without the wall. Never.
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