Their Fence/Our fence

catzmeow · #1 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 06:33 AM

Why is it morally wrong and stupid for us to build it, but rational and intelligent for them to build it? Gosh, we wouldn't want anyone to think we were fencing anyone out, or in, would we? That would be terrible.

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BuckNaked · #2 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 09:21 AM

Sadistic-Savior · #3 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 09:57 AM

Is that supposed to mean something? Thats loopy even for you.

catzmeow · #4 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 09:59 AM

Why do you think it's morally acceptable for Europe to build a wall to repulse THEIR illegal immigrants, but it's morally unacceptable for us to do the same?

I don't get it.

Sadistic-Savior · #5 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 10:11 AM

I was talking to Bucknaked. I already agree Mexico is hypocritical about the fence.

BuckNaked · #6 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 10:28 AM

Rolling of the eyes is a sign of disgust, and usually means the roller does not agree with the things they are seeing or hearing!! Like 1 hypocritical government, criticizing another for a fence, they already have!!

As far as your own warped opinion on many subjects??

At least we agree on this subject???

barney-fife · #7 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 11:47 AM

Good fences make good neighbors.

catzmeow · #8 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Robert Frost, Mending Wall

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows?
But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."

What would we be walling out? I think it's important for us to say. Who is Europe walling out? The truth is this: They are walling out their neighbors, who will work for lower wages, who come from economically impoverished nations, the residue of the USSR.

Ixtellor · #9 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 12:04 PM

I personally believe America is the best country in the world. So why should we care what other countries do. The only thing that matters is what we do. They are corrupt, immoral hypocrits, and we are moral bastions of equality tolerance and ingenuity.

So do you think that we should look to Mexico for moral guidence?
Or you hate America because of our principles?

JavaBlack · #10 (**permalink**) 05-19-2006, 12:21 PM

It's politics with Mexico. Stopping the labor supply from getting larger is popular. Keeping the labor supply from dropping and revenue from coming back to the country are very unpopular. It shouldn't be surprising. Politicians do what keeps their party and their careers going... typically short-sighted stuff.
Special interests are also in play. Druglords have a lot of power over politics in Mexico. They certainly don't want any impediments to their trade. Corporations in Mexico want cheap labor. So keeping the supply high is a priority. So it seems like more a mystery why the government, heavily susceptible to corporate influence and very interested in gaining investment, dependent on them for jobs... jobs that keep the people content.
But who are the people who cross the border (other than drug gangs)? They risk life and limb to get money that will support their families. They break rules to do what they feel they must. The mentality of criminals and entrepreneurs. Both inspirational and decidedly wrong.
Also I think these would be the guys to start the unions. If they didn't have the option of leaving, they'd take risks that would really p!$$ off the corporates... and increase the standard of living in Mexico... and lose Mexico some jobs... and increase the size of the middle class, which should create a better, more accessible education system to create a generation of problem solvers, entrepreneurs, and competent public servants.
The things that would help in some ways, hurt in others. But for the corporations there now, it's mostly bad.
We seem to only see the corporate interest on this side of the border. I get the feeling it's on both sides.

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