Yes I can see the similarities to Bush & Hitler. One man is a fool (Bush) & the other a mass-murderer of 11 million people (Hitler). One man likes to think he is a cowboy (Bush), the other was a genocidal lunatic (Hitler).

Excuse me but I really think you should look up your history & see how really was more like Hitler. Oh, I have a idea who it could be! Saddam Hussein.

Now, let;s see how fast you accuse me of being a Bush-Zombie even though I wrote in a very direct & intelligible way that I am a Bush supporter strictly because I am anti-Saddam.

I read about Internet trolls. And you, MarkH sure do fit that description.

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Rape children???? Where is this coming from?

If they thought it ok, they would not be prosecuiting or investigating but promotting .Like saddam.

The world would not care either ,like saddam.

can you say H.Y.P.O.C.R.I. S. Y.

Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, former editor-in-chief of the London Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, wrote: "The names of all the thieves of the Oil for Food [Program], who took the oil money while the food never reached the Iraqi people, were documented [in a list] of perk recipients, and no one in the Arab media asked that they be punished or show their shame. Their crimes are much more serious than the Abu Ghureib prison scandals, because for years they stole medicine for the sick and for hospitals in Iraq and sold it on the Jordanian and Gulf markets.

"Now U.N. investigations are uncovering the scandal of the violations of the Oil for Food contracts. Kofi Annan is acknowledging it, expressing his revulsion, and promising to punish the perpetrators. But the Arab media are preoccupied only with the scandals of the Americans…

"A crime is not a crime unless it is committed by a foreigner. Torture is [carried out] by the Arabs with the consent of the Arab press, which is always silent about it. When someone tries to bring this up, he is accused of damaging the Arabs' good name, and of acting for the Zionist camp!

"No one is acquitting the Americans of what a group of jailers did to Iraqi prisoners. It is a crime… But it is inconceivable that the bribery of the Iraqi regime and the crimes of its adherents are exposed to the eyes of all, and we see the list of those who stole food and medicines – yet they walk with their heads high, because they know how we treat crimes…

Al-Sharq Al Awsat:"Since the Abu Ghureib prison crime was exposed, the biggest discussion group in the Arab world has been [discussing] human rights, and this is a fine thing. The subject of human rights, freedom, and the state of the prisons has taken over every conversation [in the Arab world], after many years when the Arabs talked little about the value of the individual and the severity of the torture and killing. The Arabs became accustomed to not dwelling on things that do not concern them.

"Accordingly, millions of Arabs do not know about the mass graves of Saddam's Iraq, and about the state of the prisons and detention centers in their countries. Only rarely do we hear of an Arab group demanding the release of prisoners arrested for expressing an opinion, or of an association that wants to visit an [Arab] prison. Furthermore, this is the first time that the Arabs have seen television cameras inside the prisons.

"Thank you to the American ABC television station that exposed the torture of prisoners at Abu Ghureib. The Arab television stations are busy at the battle of Al-Fallujah, following Al-Sadr's militias, and with bin Laden's and Al-Zarqawi's films…

Syrian columnist Hayan Nayouf wrote in the liberal Internet daily Elaph: "After the scandal of the torture of Iraqi prisoners by American and British soldiers, the Arab media handled this affair in a way arousing ridicule, proving that the Arab media and intellectuals possess everything but objectivity, transparency, and disclosure of the truth and the facts.

"There is no one who does not condemn this damage to prisoners' rights. There are international agreements that the Americans and others must honor. But in this article, I want to talk about the American president's apology, and about how this apology was treated by the Arab media and intellectuals.

Read the rest if you have the guts at http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD71804
When the link is killed, look it up on their search under
Special Dispatch Series - No. 718

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jokic5.html

If anything Bush is Lenin not Hitler

from the Professor of Philosophy and Conflict Resolution at Portland State University.

actually, Saddam, and other Baathist leaders were inspired by the Nazis and other fascists. They modeled their tactics after other fascist leaders, and it is very clear that they commited the same sorts of crime (mass murdering, taking away civil liberties etc.)

Notice how all the "lefties" who had oh so many questions....tons of questions....about the authenticity of the Berg video are quick to take this one as truth.....NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!

First of all....the enemy is pretty adapt at using the media. You have NO IDEA of the date of this video. STRANGE how the video supposedly survived all that bombing, eh? Could the wedding video have been located at another place because it took place weeks ago perhaps? STRANGE how there were all the weapons, fake passports, cash, syringes, and drugs were at a wedding where children were alledgely present, eh?
STRANGE how the video doesn't show ANY weapons....when the military found lots of weapons that night.

Hmmm.....so many questions....and yet.....no liberals even a bit curious about it! After all, libs will believe ANYBODY over their own military.

*Somebody* is a bit unfamiliar and insensitive to Arab culture.

I understand that the passports are foreign, not fake even if it is possible that some of them may have been fake. The passports are a lead not an evidence in an early stage of the investigation. It is just a matter of contacting the countries that they seem to come from and inquire about them. We have received lots of refugees from the Saddam era in my country, it is no wounder that they want to return to the old country. We have a current story in our news about a man that returned home to start up a business bringing lots of money with him (about $100,000). He ended up being robbed by American soldiers an put in the Abu-Graib prison for three months before they released him. They didn't return his money and I believe that the soldiers in question will say that they "never saw any". He is currently trying to sue the military for his treatment and to get his money back I don't belive this will succed.

If the guests actually came from several countries, then it does make sense to have the ceremonies near the boarder. It is so much easier to travel in a country where there is no war going on and this shortens the trip inside the war torn Iraq. If they really where a resistance cell I would suggest that they had their meetings on the other side of the boarder since it's so close by and not very heavily guarded.

I cannot understand why the place should be to remote, obviously someone didn't find the place to remote to construct buildings at the place. It is near the boarder, this means that it is in the middle of two nations, boarder towns and villages can even prosper just because of their location due to trade.

The guns are no problems as long as they are small arms since those are common in the area anyway. Just think about what NRA would say if the government tried to ban civilian owned guns in US. Besides it isn't like the police are very good at preventing crimes in the area.

Some here have talked about planted evidence, well it is possible that someone have planted evidence to show that their was a peaceful ceremony (and killed that musician just to make it feasible). It is also possible that the military planted or removed evidence to cover up a screw up and I don't believe this to be unlikely. Whatever the real truth is here I believe that the military has lost big time in the media war.

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ok, an email from a friend of a friend in Iraqi.

I can’t be absolutely sure what happened out there but if you know a few things about Iraq it doesn’t sound so outlandish. These people are members of a clan well known in Anbar province. They are supposedly "shepherds" but they are really more like livestock owners. The herds are large and the business is profitable. After the spring rains end, and they just did, these people and other clans like them follow the herds through the desert. They pick that time because the grazing is better. Along the way they have small houses in oases which serve as something between camps and residences.

They are also into smuggling. Mainly they smuggle livestock into Syria where the prices are better. Do they bring back guns and people? Probably. And it can’t be ruled out they may have been hired to slip some Syrians into the country. Whole families join this migration. And they do get married.

This afternoon a very popular Baghdad wedding singer was buried -- his family and the survivors say he was entertaining at the wedding. The reason so many women and children died is that as is tradition, the women and children sleep together, the men apart often in tents watching the stock.

Some of the people there had traveled from Ramadi for the wedding just as people travel to attend weddings anywhere. There's a romance in Arab culture about the desert. Some Americans get married by lakes or in mountains. The reason they returned to Ramadi, 250 miles away, is because that's the clan's base. And having been out there, there's very little between Ramadi and the Syrian-Jordanian border except a mosque-rest stop and Rutba. The US had Rutba sealed off.

They weren’t seeking medical attention. They brought the victims home to bury them in their version of [our family] cemetery. Ramadi is the "home" of all members of the Bou Fahad clan, which is the one of all the victims. There were at least a dozen children killed. One was decapitated. One little girl about [my granddaughter]'s age had holes all over her legs...and in her chest. One boy was missing half his face. Quite a place, Iraq.

If the wedding party victims are lying, they may be failing to mention that XXX-number of Syrian fighters were camped 100 meters down the road, or that they had rented the place to fighters two days before or something like that. My experience in these things has been that people wouldn’t be faking the deaths of their wives and children. The fact that there was a high proportion of women and children killed adds credence -- the kids sleep with the women and the men sleep separately.

May add more light as to why the video differs from the military account.

• A videotape has been broadcast which purports to show before-and-after footage of a wedding which Iraqis say the US bombed, killing about 40. The film, released by a US news agency, combines a wedding home movie with video of the aftermath of the attack, which the US says targeted militants. Some victims and survivors appear to be present in the wedding video. ...
  Associated Press Television News says it cannot confirm the authenticity of the video of the celebrations in Makr al-Deeb, a desert hamlet near the town of Qaim. ...
  
  AP says a reporter and a photographer who interviewed more than a dozen survivors a day after the bombing were able to identify many of them on the wedding party video. It also says its footage of the aftermath shows remnants of musical instruments, pots and pans, and festive brightly colored bedding.
  
  

• BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military introduced more photographs Monday to bolster its contention that American aircraft attacked a safe-house for foreign fighters near the Syrian border -- not a wedding party, as claimed by Iraqi survivors and police and suggested by footage from the scene.
  Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the coalition deputy chief of staff for operations in Iraq (news - web sites), introduced several new photographs Monday — those of a house and white powder he said was being tested for drugs.
  
  Kimmitt again showed pictures of items the military said it found at the attack site, including machine guns, rounds of ammunition, a Sudan Airways plane ticket, medical gear, a Sudanese passport and battery packs associated with improvised explosive devises.
  
  "These are pictures that are somewhat inconsistent in my mind with a wedding party," Kimmitt said. "One could say, yes, it is true that out in the desert you need to have a rifle to protect yourself against Ali Baba but the necessity for rocket-propelled launchers, rocket launchers in the bottom, special machine guns may be a little much for Ali Baba out there."
  
  "What we found on the ground and our post-strike analysis suggests that what we had was a significant foreign fighter smuggler way-station in the middle of the desert that was bringing people into this country for the sole purpose of attacking to kill the people of Iraq," he said.

if true then it seems that the men were in the tent and the women and children in the villa with Mrs. Shahib.

The AP report had claimed finding debris marked 'ATU-35'. "Footage that APTN shot a day after the attack shows bits of musical instruments, pots and pans, and brightly colored beddings scattered around a bombed out tent. It also shows fragments of what appear to be ordnance, one marked 'ATU-35,' similar to markings on U.S. bombs."
Now if that size bomb were used there is no way Mrs. Shahib would have survived to rush out in the middle of the infantry attack as described in a previous post.The musical instruments belonging to the all male band were near the ATU-35 debris, and if the women and children sleep in one place and men in at the other, then the bomb hit the tent {or at least closer to it}with the men. The women and children may have been killed in or as they emerged from the villa which was the subject of an infantry assault.That being the case, WHERE ARE ALL THE DEAD MEN?
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The video shows mostly men.We expect in this culture that the women are out of sight - but according to survivors, they danced to the music of Hussein al-Ali,[male] a popular Baghdad wedding singer hired for the festivities. Another tape, filmed a day later in Ramadi and obtained by APTN, showed the musician lying dead in a burial shroud — his face clearly visible and wearing the same tan shirt as he wore when he performed.

As the musicians played, young men milled about, most dressed in traditional white robes. Young men swayed in tribal dances to the monotonous tones of traditional Arabic music. Two children — a boy and a girl — held hands, dancing and smiling. Women are rarely filmed at such occasions, and they appear only in distant glimpses.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ea/iraq_attack

The AP video shows a dead band member almost without a facial mark, peaceful and almost resting. Just one?Was he the only one killed? If the bomb hit the musician's tent or so near it as the video seems to suggests and debris of musical instruments confirm, where are the other dead men? DId we hit a third structure attacked, the figurative 100 Syrian fighters 'down the road'? Or were there just the two structures? Would'nt it be nice if we could compare the AP video with the photographs supplied by General Kimmitt.








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