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NEW materials that can change the way light and other forms of radiation bend around an object may provide a way to make objects invisible, researchers said. Two separate teams of researchers have come up with theories on ways to use experimental "metamaterials" to cloak an object and hide it from visible light, infrared light, microwaves and perhaps even sonar probes.

[...] The concept begins with refraction - a quality of light in which the electromagnetic waves take the quickest, but not necessarily the shortest, route. This accounts for the illusion that a pencil immersed in a glass of water appears broken, for instance.

"Imagine a situation where a medium guides light around a hole in it," physicist Ulf Leonhardt of Britain's University of St Andrews, wrote in one of the reports, published in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science. "The light rays end up behind the object as if they had travelled in a straight line.

The theory is different from that used on modern "stealth" bombers, for example, which bounce radar off their surfaces so they cannot be seen.

Instead, an object would be encased in a shell of metamaterials and they would create an illusion akin to a mirage, said David Schurig of Duke University in North Carolina, who worked on the second report.


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The article says that it would be possible to cloak an object from Microwaves, Sonar, and Radar as well as visible light.

The theory does make sense, and might be possible to some degree even with existing materials. You could simulate this mono-directionally with fiber optics for example. An Omni-directional cloak would be the holy grail though.
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This is really interesting. I just read about the concept of these metamaterials a few months ago. I guess the materials exhibit certain electromagnetic properties that do not occur in any natural materials.

Being able to cloak an object would be a sort of jaw-dropping moment - something any layperson could appreciate as a 'science fiction' type of achievement.
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There is nothing magical about it really...you are just distorting the path of light just like water does. The only difference is that there are fewer variables.

If they could make this work, it would circumvent the only real weaknes I have seen in conventional stealth technology so far: The method of using the absence of radio signals to triangulate a stealthed aircraft. With current methods, there is no way to hide this hole. But with what they are talking about, there would be no percievable hole. It would be a true cloaking device.
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There is nothing magical about it really...you are just distorting the path of light just like water does. The only difference is that there are fewer variables.
I don't know...to see it in person would look pretty freaking magical to me. Imagine the effect it might have on a person to experience conflicting sensory input (feeling something you can't see) in this way. The thing about these materials, is that they have completely different refractive properties than any material that occurs in nature or man has previously created. I personally find it to be quite exciting. One thing that seems like it would be a really serious challange for the engineers/scientists working on it, would be to get the light (and other parts of the spectrum) to leave the material at the proper point and at the proper angle. Otherwise, it would just make the space enclosed by the material appear really f-ed up (which would be a cool trick, but not very useful).

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If they could make this work, it would circumvent the only real weaknes I have seen in conventional stealth technology so far: The method of using the absence of radio signals to triangulate a stealthed aircraft. With current methods, there is no way to hide this hole. But with what they are talking about, there would be no percievable hole. It would be a true cloaking device.
I imagine that this would probably be one of the only practical purposes for such technology. To make it work for cloaking an object visually would be impractical, since the slightest smudge or bit of dirt on the surface of the material would ruin the results (just like looking through a dirty lens, or looking into a dirty mirror).
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I don't know...to see it in person would look pretty freaking magical to me.
A Japanese company has already simulated it. Basically, they showed a guy with a camera on his back facing backwards. The camera connected to a projector that projected the image on his front side. It looked just like he was cloaked...you could barely see anything except his head.

They were calling it a cloaking device, but IMO that is just a crappy approximation of one.

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Imagine the effect it might have on a person to experience conflicting sensory input (feeling something you can't see) in this way.
In this case we are talking about objects, not people. Either way, the person inside the hole would not necessarily be cut off from the outside...small sensor devices could penitrate the cloak from the inside, providing sensor data. While this would technically make the cloak imperfect, the penitrating sensor could be so small that the difference would be negligible.

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One thing that seems like it would be a really serious challange for the engineers/scientists working on it,
Until I see an actual prototype, I will remain skeptical. The fact that it is being taken seriously by credible mainstream scientists though leads me to believe the claims are legitimate. The theory is sound, the only real question is how well these supposed "exotic materials" really function.

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Otherwise, it would just make the space enclosed by the material appear really f-ed up (which would be a cool trick, but not very useful).
Says who? Imagine the skin of a stealth aircraft wrapped in this stuff. Or a tank.

Even if it only worked at 50% of potential capacity, it would still be very useful.

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I imagine that this would probably be one of the only practical purposes for such technology.
Anything that lessens visibility, even if it is only from the visible light spectrum, has practical application. Otherwise why do we bother painting camouflage patterns on our hardware at all? This technology, at worst, would augment our existing camouflage significantly. At best it could make it obsolete eventually.

I recall one experimental prototype fighter in the 80s I read about that had lights installed on the underside of the aircraft to control the illumination of it's external surfaces. The idea was to make it match the same luminosity/hue as the sky above it. If successful, it would make the aircrafte way harder to spot from the ground visually. Something I would not mind having on a spy mission.

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To make it work for cloaking an object visually would be impractical, since the slightest smudge or bit of dirt on the surface of the material would ruin the results
Even if it is only 95% cloaked visually, that still has value. See my camouflage example above.

The fact that it is not 100% does not ruin it's value IMO.
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