Senate passes law approving 370 mile triple layer fence at Mexican Border.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/25/immigration/

Since the border is 2000 miles long this is a poke in the eye of most US voters who want the border shut down..........

A wall is needed to stop:

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.’s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

A new figure from yesterday: It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.
http://rightwinghowler.com/2006/05/0...l-immigration- statistics/

Not to mention the obvious:

1) dumbing down of our schools.......no English

2) monopolizing of our public parks...the new Mexican backyard

3) Blighted neighborhoods.....research google images...Santa Ana, CA

4) Selling fruit and ice creams from freeway mediums....3rd world style

5) Increased traffic........LA traffic 'very light' during Mexican street protests

6) Junk cars with no insurance....lurking dangers

7) Closing of Emergency Rooms...aka mexican health care

Huge flow of drugs into US from mexico

9) Virulent and racist reconquista movement

10) Banda music blaring all night so neighbors can't sleep

etc......etc......etc.....etc.......etc.......


OR.........WE COULD USE ANOTHER ROUND OF SLAVE LABOR!!
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First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

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.... for fear that my true conservative credentials might be exposed.

I will say this though: once again, we're in the domain of the practical.

It does very little good to point out the problem - that much has already been adequately documented.

The real question is, what to do about it. For instance, at the current level of capability, the United States can only train a thousand new Border Patrol agents per year. That number might go up to 1500 next year, if the feds actually give up the funds they've promised the state of New Mexico.

Meanwhile, Chertoff in his infinite wisdom is building more beds to "temporarily" house aliens who are on their way to USCIS hearings (and presumably ultimate deportation). Have you checked out the relative level of expenditures on these two items (new BP agents, versus beds for deportees)? Well, I'll just say, there's an eye-opener in there somewhere....

Another interesting political issue, is the balance of goodwill with Mexico - I mean, now that NAFTA's a reality and we actually depend on Mexican imports, we have to play a somewhat nicer game with them (otherwise, what's to stop us from simply sending those 250,000 illegals in the California jails right back across the border?).

So, let's talk about the practical issues related to solving the problem. Everyone knows what the problem is (at least I "think" everyone knows) - but the solution is very complex. A "fence" might be one possibility, although there are drawbacks there as well. Another possibility might be to use some military personnel to add to the effectiveness of the Border Patrol (although that's currently prohibited by law - but my guess is that it wouldn't be too hard to find the political consensus to change that "for a little while, and for a specific purpose").

Another issue is, that US-born children of illegals become US citizens, entitling the whole family to welfare and all kinds of other Gummint money. How do we fix that?

The more general question is, what's your solution? 'Cause a fence "by itself" isn't going to cut it. You have to consider the drawbacks as well as the benefits. And run the numbers, so to speak.

I'd really like to see some links or citations for those stats. Over the past month I saw a Penn & Teller's BS about people BSing us with numbers and heard about the falseness of our engineering statistics compared with China and India and on NPR heard about how a great number of crime statistics are baseless guesses cited and recited by journalists... Not to mention I was a sociology major and like to take a closer look at data to see if there are any deeper connections obscured by the wording...
So forgive me if I don't take your stats at face value. Got anything to back them up?

And then I also agree with nonsqtr on practicality.
I agree with nonsqtr too much. I might get my liberal credentials taken away.

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