Did the New York Times commit treason? - Page 4

nonsqtr · #31 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 05:29 AM

Here, I'm going to copy this in from the other thread, just so everyone gets to read it.

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Originally Posted by nonsqtr";p=&quot

Here's the ultimate proof that these Republi-Cons are political waste products, and that this whole debate is just an election-year stunt.

Turns out, we've been tracking AQ funds for 8 years now, and the Washington Post let the cat out of the bag way back in 1998.

"Bin Laden's Finances Are Moving Target

By John Mintz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 28, 1998; Page A01

...The CIA and agents with Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network also will try to lay tripwires to find out when bin Laden moves funds by plugging into the computerized systems of bank transaction monitoring services – operated by the Federal Reserve and private organizations called SWIFT and CHIPS – that record the billions of dollars coursing through the global banking system daily. ..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...aden082898.htm

SECRET MY FOOT. We've known about this for 8 years already.

What a bunch of con artists these Neo-Weasels are.

And we're supposed to give up our free press for this?

Yeah right.

Go crawl back under your collective rocks, you Neo-Con nut jobs.

And good riddance, I say.

The T-word definitely does not apply in this case.

And you're darn right, this is about getting Bush.

By any means necessary. But see, the only means "necessary" is to expose these Neo-Con weasels, 'cause the one thing they absolutely can't stand is the truth.

Bush is the anti-Christ, and it's about time you guys opened your eyes to that concept.

apotropoxy · #32 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 05:46 AM

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[b]Me:[/b] The USA has no official secrets act.
You: 1. Wrong. It has numerous laws in regards to the transmiting of classifed data or whatnot.

There are laws preventing people from leaking classified information but there are no laws preventing the press from publishing them.

Me: The finding of the SCOTUS regarding the Pentagon Papers flap (NEW YORK TIMES CO. v. UNITED STATES, 403 US 713 (1971) is controlling.
You: Nonsense. The Pentagion Papers where very geenral in nature and did not deal with a specific program such as this. For the most part that ruling and case is irrelevant to this one.

If this is the case then we will see the Administration take action against the New York Times, and the LA Times, and the Wall Street Journal. Time will tell.

Me: These "secrets" spilled by the NYT have been widely known to anyone who's been paying the least attention. Al Qaeda noticed the arrest patterns of their members years ago and how they correlated to banking transactions. It was about the same their cel phone usage was getting them popped.
You: The acts of seizing finances has been known..that peopel monitored such things was known....Not the who where what and hows.
There is a HUGE difference between the two and the we already knew eveyrthing is a BS routine thats not goign to fly.

Your response to my point #3 is why you are not taken seriously here at Political Forum. Everyone knows the "who" (the US government), the "what" (banking records mining) and the "how" (scanning data with powerful computers). But I must say, your BS flies just fine. It never fails to splatter the walls of your outhouse .

Me: Tony "SnowJob" Snow was asked, today, if the Gray Lady would lose her press credentials for the daily briefings and he made clear that she would not.
You: As far as he knew at that time. For all he knows tomorrow he will be saying they have been barred. The cheesey 3 year old name calling really though should make anyone question whether or not you even listened to him at all.

What you may not have known, Duh, was that SnowJob actually backed down from a stronger position he impulsively took when speaking the “Morning Gaggle" of W.H. press reporters earlier in the day. There may be an official reversal, but I doubt it.
And regarding the “cheesey" (sp: cheesy) name-calling poke… What fun would there be left on this site if we couldn’t invent little nicknames for ourselves (like Duh) and others? Do you plan to take your own advice or is that comment just another lump sliding down your lavatory wall?

Me: Please continue dithering.
You: He gave an opinion as to why he found their actions treasonous..you on the otherhand gave us a load of crap. The constant usage of this issue to rehash the usual Bush bashes is the perogative of fools

These sorts of comments are why you are thought to waste perfectly good electrons. But you are nothing if not consistent. You never fail to live up to your self-selected moniker.

Ixtellor · #33 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

The New York al-Times is clearly aligned with al-Qaeda and the cause of terrorism around the world. They have demonstrated time and time again their open willingness in assisting terrorism. Executive Editor Bill al-Keller of the NY al-Times should be arrested, tried and executed.

My name is Barney-Fife and I am a conspiricy nut.
Hello Barney-Fife.

nonsqtr · #34 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:04 AM

God, what a mess.

I hate these Neo-Weasel-Cons. I detest them with every fiber of my being, The latest revelation (in this thread and the other) is a perfect example of why.

It shouldn't matter if you're Republican or Democrat, that kind of behavior is absolutely objectionable, and it's fundamentally anti-American.

These weasels are lying through their collective teeth, and they're shamelessly tugging on peoples' moral sensibilities just so they can keep pointing the finger at the nearest convenient scapegoat.

This is exactly the same crapola Goebbels pulled in 1933. Really. It's very scary stuff. The exact same pattern is emerging. A gradual cutback on liberties, a bunch of Statists who are in bed with big-business special-interests, a basically well-meaning group of conservative politicians who are being hoodwinked by carefully targeted propaganda, and a convenient scapegoat that just happens to be low-hanging fruit for finger-pointing (back then it was the Jooz, and today it seems to be "the liberals" TM). Read your history again, and you'll realize I'm right on target with this set of perceptions.

We better get these Neo-Weasels out of office, and FAST, otherwise we're going to be in big trouble.

Just thought I'd mention that (again).

Man, you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to get scared on this one. Real scared, real fast. And the more you listen to C-SPAN, the more you just shake your head in disbelief, that this stuff could be happening right here in the United States of America.

nonsqtr · #35 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:20 AM

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Holocaust Survivor Says

He's Leaving The US

by Joey Picador -- http://www.justicefornone.com

One of our neighbors is moving. I've been in this neighborhood for about six years now, but didn't really know them very well at all - just waves and nods, mostly.

So I heard the moving van pull up this morning. When I got home this evening I happened to spy my neighbor (he's like 85 years old - I don't know exactly, but he's old, talks and moves very slowly) standing on the sidewalk next to the van. I walked over and shook his hand, and we started talking. I asked him where he was moving, and he said, "Back to Germany."

I had been stationed in Germany for two years while in the military, so I lit up, and commented about how beautiful the country was, and inquired if he was going back because he missed it.

"No," he answered me. "I'm going back because I've seen this before." He then commenced to explain that when he was a kid, he watched with his family in fear as Hitler's government committed atrocity after atrocity, and no one was willing to say anything. He said the news refused to question the government, and the ones who did were not in the newspaper business much longer. He said good neighbors, people he had known all his life, turned against his family and other Jews, grabbing on to the hate and superiority "as if they were starved for it" (his words).

He said he was too old to see it happen right in front of his eyes again, and too old to do anything about it, so he was taking his family back to Europe on Thursday where they would be safe from George W. Bush and his neocons. He seemed resolute, but troubled, nonetheless, as if being too young on one end and too old on the other to fight what he saw happening was wearing on him.

I gotta tell you - it was chilling. I let him talk, and the whole time, my gut was churning, like I had mutated butterflies in my stomach. When he was finished, he shook my hand, gripping it really hard, until his knuckles turned white and he was shaking. He looked me in the eyes, hard, and said, "I will pray for your family and your country." He let go of my hand and hobbled away.

I have related this event to you in the hopes it will serve as a cautionary anecdote about the state of our Union, and to illustrate the path we Americans are being led down by a group of fanatics bent on global economic and military dominion. When a man who survived the fruits of fascism decides its time to leave THIS country because he's seeing the same patterns that led to the Holocaust and other Nazi horrors beginning to form here, it is time for us to recognize the underlying evil inherent in the actions of those who claim they work for all Americans, and for all mankind. And it is incumbent upon all Americans, Red and Blue, Republican and Democrat, to stop them.

barney-fife · #36 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:29 AM

Would it be okay had the NY Times printed a front page story in 1942 informing the world the US had broken Japanese codes and knew the contents of every message they sent?

nonsqtr · #37 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

Would it be okay had the NY Times printed a front page story in 1942 informing the world the US had broken Japanese codes and knew the contents of every message they sent?

You missed the point Barney.

The terrorists already know.

They've known for 8 years.

How much clearer do I need to get on this?

I just gave you a first-hand source that proves my contention beyond any shadow of a doubt. It's irrefutable and undeniable.

These Neo-Con weasels are lying to you. They're lying.

barney-fife · #38 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:49 AM

No, you miss the point. Secret intelligence is secret intelligence, and leaking it during a time of war is unlawful and treasonous.

Hey—how about your investing in some NY al-Times stock? They say buy low. Well, the stock is real low! If what you believe is popular, the stock is bound to double in a month! On the other hand...

rota · #39 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

Fool, it is treasonous revealing national security secrets, secrets that are vitally important to the conduct of a war, to the enemy at a time of war. This is what the NY al-Times did, and they should be prosecuted for doing it.

And, at the rate they are losing subscribers, they will be dead of self-inflicted wounds very soon anyway.

I don't remember the Congress declaring war against anyone. It isn't Bush's job to declare endless war against nameless people he can't even prove exist. Al Quada was proven to be a CIA computer program. Just who are you at war with Barney? "Terrorist"? "Muslims"? Afghanistan? Iraq? Iran? Syria? North Korea? You sound like Don Quixote

nonsqtr · #40 (**permalink**) 06-28-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

No, you miss the point. Secret intelligence is secret intelligence, and leaking it during a time of war is unlawful and treasonous.

So wait, let me get this straight. You know for a fact that your President is lying to you, and you're still going to let him get away with arbitrarily classifying anything he says is a national security risk? Even when you know without a shadow of a doubt that it's a sham and a farce?

You oughta be grateful for the free press Barney. If you let these weasels get away with destroying it, you're only shooting yourself in the foot. Cutting off your nose to spite your face, so to speak.

I don't know what else I can say. I'd suggest that you really want to think about this one. Take a good long breath, have a cup of coffee, re-read my posts, and think about this very carefully.

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

Hey—how about your investing in some NY al-Times stock? They say buy low. Well, the stock is real low! If what you believe is popular, the stock is bound to double in a month! On the other hand...

That's completely irrelevant.

Short the stock if you believe it'll continue to drop.

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