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Old 07-06-2006, 03:26 PM
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So, skipping primaries and selecting a candidate is or is not wrong?
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Old 07-06-2006, 03:27 PM
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And yes, we all remember well the Wellstone "memorial." Shame, shame, shame.
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So, skipping primaries and selecting a candidate is or is not wrong?
All a party-specific primary is is a way for a party to select a candidate. There's no requirement that they select their candidate that way. They could award the candidacy to the winner of a pogo-stick contest if they wanted.

I like primaries because they're more democratic than the smoke-filled room method. In that sense, DeLay's actions were sleazy because he was attempting to circumvent the democracy without having the guts to say "look, we're just going to pick our candidate."

But in the end, I don't care how a party chooses its standard-bearer.
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And yes, we all remember well the Wellstone "memorial." Shame, shame, shame.
Yes, it really was a shame the way Republicans blew one man's grief totally out of proportion, and misrepresented closed-captioning (for deaf attendees) as commands to cheer and clap.
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Judge Sparks ruled that while Mr. DeLay was free to withdraw, the Republicans may not remove his name from the ballot, because there was no residency requirement for the House in the Constitution except that a candidate "when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen." No one could yet say where Mr. DeLay would be living on Election Day, Nov. 7, the judge said. To allow such a switch on the ballot would be to illegally disadvantage the Democrats, he said.
"Political acumen, strategy and manufactured evidence, even combined with a sound policy in mind, cannot override the Constitution," Judge Sparks said. He cast doubt on some of the Republican evidence, noting that Mr. DeLay had sent a draft of his letter announcing his move to Virginia to Ms. Benkiser for editing.
Texas law rules out replacement of names on the ballot except under narrow circumstances to prevent parties from seeking advantages by suddenly switching candidates. "This would be a serious abuse of the election system and a fraud on the voters, which the court will not condone," Judge Sparks ruled. He said the Constitution, not Texas law, prevailed.
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DeLay's contempt of citizens, law and the common good appear to be catching up to him. When Ronnie Earle and the Texas jury finish with him, DeLay's official residence will be here in the Lone Star state for a long, long time.

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Then to be consistent (which is seemingly impossible for demos) you would also feel the same way about demos Robert Torricelli and Wellstone.
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I heard audio recordings from the Wellstone "memorial" and they were disgraceful. But they served their purpose in further illustrating the disgracefulness of demos in general.

So, if I'm understanding demos, it's okay when they "select" another candidate to replace their party's political nominee, but it's not okay for Republicans to select another candidate to replace their party's nominee. Yeah, sounds about right.

And you wonder why you demos keep losing elections!
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On my blog, I wrote a while ago -- disapprovingly -- about a suit filed by Texas Democrats to keep Tom DeLay's name on the ballot.
http://midtopia.blogspot.com/2006/06...s-bye-bye.html

Well, get this: they won.
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The Texas Republican Party must keep Tom DeLay's name on the November election ballot, even though the former congressman has dropped his re-election bid, a federal judge ruled Thursday.
Wonder if they shopped for a Democrat judge like they usually do here in Texas?

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DeLay, the former House majority leader who resigned from office June 9, won the Republican primary for his district in March but decided against re-election a month later.
If that decision stands -- and a Republican appeal is almost a certainty -- it would all-but-guarantee that Democra Nick Lampson will take over DeLay's seat come November.
Well, you certainly don't think the Dems could win fair and square, do you? By hook or crook....that's their motto.

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The reason DeLay resigned when he did was so he could help handpick his successor -- without having to go through that messy piece of intraparty democracy known as a primary. So on one level the Dems have merely foiled one last shady maneuver by the Hammer.
As if Dems have never done that!! Too funny. BTW, I think it would be just hilarious if Tom Delay wins it anyway! Wouldn't that just be a stick in the Democrats' eye? In fact, I think I'll e-mail Tom Delay right now and tell him that I'll acually contribute to his run, if he'll go for it. I'm betting many other Republicans in his own district would vote for him. Especially AFTER this trick by the Dems. Remember....it's a Republican majority district and I don't think they are going to cotton too well to the latest Democrat shenanigans.

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But the extended legal dispute also keeps the GOP from naming a replacement, thus delaying their ability to start campaigning and raising funds. So it's a strategic move by the Dems as well.
Yeah, duh!!

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One could argue that this is simply DeLay reaping what he sowed: an emphasis on hardball partisanship, regardless of the cost to the nation. It might be considered poetic justice for him to be beaten into the ground with his own favorite weapon.

But that's what everyone disliked about DeLay; Democrats do themselves no favors by emulating him. They need to rise above it and show that they really are different, and that they really do repudiate DeLay and everything he stands for.

So I stand by my earlier position: The Dems should drop the suit and let the Reps name whatever replacement they want. Democracy is not served when a contest is essentially reduced to a one-party race because of legal technicalities. Sugarland voters deserve a choice in November.
I think the Republicans in his district should come out in force now....which is entirely possible....and beat the pants off the Democrat. That will send a loud and clear message to the game-playing, win by hook or crook Democrats!!

GO TOM....GO TOM....GO TOM......run, baby, run!
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Well, if you have to resign for personal reasons, okay. But doing it as part of a political calculation is akin to disenfranchising voters. Much like switching party affiliation right after taking office.
Oh come on Raytri: please be real. The political calculation here was done by the Democrats. First they went out and found a rogue Democrat, Tom Delay hating, D.A. by the name of Ronnie Earle.....who was willing to do anything he could to get an indictment. The Dems knew the Republican rule about having to step down from leadership positions if they were indicted....so they sat out to get that indictment. The first 2 Grand Juries refused to indict and so Earle went for a 3rd...who took all of 2 hours to give Earle his indictment. One of those jurors was interviewed and said later that he made his decision not on anything he heard inside the Grand Jury, but from an ad about Tom Delay. The man said, "I just don't like Tom Delay." The first charges Earle got was for Conspiracy.....tossed out because the law he used wasn't even in effect at the time.

So, that's what they did to unseat Tom Delay. But that wasn't enough. They decided......Well, we've made him step down, but now we want to make sure his name is on the ballot or this will mean nothing to us. We want the Congressional seat given to us. We don't want an opponent because we know we can't win fair and square any other way.

PITIFUL....PATHETHIC.....DEMS.

I'm going to be encouraging Tom Delay to run for it with all he's got and whip their arses after all! That would be divine justice if I ever saw it. This may be the first race that someone wins without ever making an ad or giving a political speech!

Go Tom!!!
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Well, if you have to resign for personal reasons, okay. But doing it as part of a political calculation is akin to disenfranchising voters. Much like switching party affiliation right after taking office.
But nothing about the Dems who are trying to disenfranchise all the majority voters in a Republican district, eh? They have basically set it up so the Republicans have no candiate....because they want the seat in a Republican majority district GIVEN to them.

And what's FAIR about that?

NOTHING.
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