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Old 07-17-2006, 10:28 AM
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The latest in the academic follies comes from the University of Wisconsin at Madison, where the administration has cleared the way for an instructor to teach his belief that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were plotted by the US government to create an excuse for war.

There's nothing new or surprising about Sept. 11 conspiracy theories. E-mails with "conclusive proof" that the attacks were an inside job land regularly in my mailbox. They are subject to automatic deletion, right along with "proof positive that evolution is a fraud" and invitations to collect $150 million from a Nigerian bank.

As a rule of thumb, conspiracy theories are bunk. People are not smart enough to carry out their scenarios, and not discreet enough to keep their secrets. It is particularly a stretch to believe that the Bush administration, given its track record in managing things like the Iraq War and the Hurricane Katrina response, could have pulled off a conspiracy so immense.

Defenders of the course say that academic freedom is at stake. But does academic freedom really protect the teaching of what Farrell politely calls "unconventional" views? How about a course expounding on Flat Earth theory and presenting "compelling evidence" that the moon landing was faked? Or, better yet, how about a course called "Germany: History and Culture," in which the instructor presented his "unconventional" view that the Holocaust is a myth and Hitler was a misunderstood great leader?

No one knows if Barrett's nonsense will persuade any of his students. One thing, however, is clear: His course, and the university's lame defense of it, are a gift to all those who want to malign liberals as America-haters and to portray the academy as a hotbed of left-wing lunacy.
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Oh geez.....another anti-war whack-o. Don't we have enough of those already?

Yeah, like our government is willing to kill 3000 of it's citizens in order to go to war???!!! HUH??? How stupid....and to think this guy is a Professor.
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It's amazing how one idiot can soil the credibility of an entire institution of researchers and professors...
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Academic freedom?
That means he should be able to publish a paper if he has the research...
But you don't teach conspiracy theories in a class... unless it's a Conspiracy Theory class.
(*)(*)(*)(*). What's next? Intelligent Design in the biology classes?
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Oh geez.....another anti-war whack-o. Don't we have enough of those already?
as if being a pro-war wacko is something admirable.

Our wackos are better than your wackos is not a good slogan.
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It's amazing how one idiot can soil the credibility of an entire institution of researchers and professors...
Like GinnaRM does for here?
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Oh geez.....another anti-war whack-o. Don't we have enough of those already?

Yeah, like our government is willing to kill 3000 of it's citizens in order to go to war???!!! HUH??? How stupid....and to think this guy is a Professor.
It's not so far-fetched to believe that a government could kill its own for some greater purpose. There's a long history of stuff like that. I wouldn't say it happens "every day", but there's "enough" of it in the history books that the concept becomes "not inconceivable". Trouble is, in this particular case, there's no proof.
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Since the original article that Reb quoted from was an editorial, and as such was meant to inflame, I figured that we should take a look at the other side of the story.

UW announcement here

From the article:
Following a thorough review, University of Wisconsin-Madison Provost Patrick Farrell today announced that lecturer Kevin Barrett will teach, as scheduled, a class titled "Islam: Religion and Culture."
Barrett's remarks regarding his theories on the events of Sept. 11 recently drew widespread attention and criticism.
As a result, Farrell, along with Gary Sandefur, dean of the College of Letters and Science, and Ellen Rafferty, chair of the department of languages and cultures of Asia, met with Barrett. They reviewed his course syllabus and reading materials and examined his past teaching evaluations.
"There is no question that Mr. Barrett holds personal opinions that many people find unconventional," Farrell says. "These views are expected to take a small, but significant, role in the class. To the extent that his views are discussed, Mr. Barrett has assured me that students will be free - and encouraged - to challenge his viewpoint."
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Default I don't see anything different in their press release

that might set a different tone than the editorial. Note that the author is liberal as well.
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that might set a different tone than the editorial. Note that the author is liberal as well.
That doesn't mean it was impartial. We sometimes have strong emotional reactions to those that make us look bad.
But regardless I think this conspiracy theory may just detract from the value of the class.
But then again, it's college. People choose whether or not to take his class and it seems well advertised that he teaches this.
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