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Old 07-21-2006, 08:12 AM
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Leading Wahhabi cleric in Saudi Arabia issues scathing fatwa against Hizbullah, declares it against Muslim Sharia law to support, join, or even pray for terror group; 'our advice to Sunnis is to denounce them, shun those who join them to show their hostility to Islam, to Muslims,'

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...279310,00.html
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In another post someone tried to make the claim that there is no conflict between different Muslim sects, such as Shia and Sunni, but then I read stuff like this:

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The surprising move by the Sudi sheikh demonstrates the controversy among cleric in the Middle East regarding the issue of supporting or opposing Hizbullah, which is a Shiite organization.
It almost sounds like they despise opposing sects so much they no longer care if it makes them look like they are supporting America...
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Which is why Iraq is such a folly. What we got there, which will only get worse, is a Shiite led government, which will align itself with other Shia's, notably those in Iran and Syria. In the end we will help create the very thing we feared the most. Money well spent.
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That much we know. Much of Hezbollah's power comes from shia paranoia. That is why Hezbollah liked us going into Iraq. That's also why they get support from Syria and Iran.
Until we recognize the deep divides between Shiites and Sunnis, it will be difficult to consider any real way to make peace in the region.
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And we are likely going to make it far worse. There is no question that Shiites will control Iraq, democratically elected or not. And while Hamas is Sunni, most terrorists and Islamic fundies are Shia. So in the end we will go to war in order to create more power for Shiites, which is exactly what we are claiming to fight!
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Which is why Iraq is such a folly. What we got there, which will only get worse, is a Shiite led government, which will align itself with other Shia's, notably those in Iran and Syria. In the end we will help create the very thing we feared the most. Money well spent.
You're talking about the radical Shia. They are not all radicals. In Iraq you have the added problem that for years the minority Sunni were in control because Saddam is a Sunni. And they were pretty brutal to the Shia. It's understandable that some would be into "payback" and "revenge." Especially when it's such a large part of the way things are done over there. But one good thing......the Sunni's ARE included in the Iraqi gov't. Something the Shia didn't have when Saddam was in control.
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The shiite extremism is likely connected to their minority status across the Middle East as a whole. That and it seems Sunnis consider them blaspheming heretics. Chances are if a Sunni Islamic government became dominant in the area, Shiites would be right in fearing persecution.
Unfortunately their "solution" is to maintain control over certain nations rather than to endorse secular democracies that would defend the rights of minorities.
I think a lot of the way this plays out depends on whether moderate shiites and sunnis are compelled toward segregation and control or secular democracy. It should be our goal to propogate democratic ideals to the everyday people of the Middle East.
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You're talking about the radical Shia. They are not all radicals.
Of course not. But most radicals are Shia. And watch and see. Once we leave Iraq (if ever), the Sunni "participation" in the government is history.
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And we are likely going to make it far worse. There is no question that Shiites will control Iraq, democratically elected or not. And while Hamas is Sunni, most terrorists and Islamic fundies are Shia. So in the end we will go to war in order to create more power for Shiites, which is exactly what we are claiming to fight!
Can you please post your evidence that the US declared war on the Shiites? I dont recall the US ever "claiming to fight" the Shiites. We are fighting terrorists and their supporters.
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We didn't. But given the dynamic as it now exists, fighting with Shiites will convince shiites we are the enemy.
Seems like it could go either way. Do they unite with us because of Iraq... or against us because of Hezbollah? Either way, until secular democratic thought sets in we can expect this to be the primary trigger for conflict.
We really need t osuppress the fighting between Shiites and Sunnis if we wish to move on to something else in the region.
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Can you please post your evidence that the US declared war on the Shiites? I dont recall the US ever "claiming to fight" the Shiites. We are fighting terrorists and their supporters.
Which are largely what exactly? Fundamentalist Shiites. Of course there are Sunni terrorists, too, but the group that is the largest, best funded and most likely to have the support of whole regimes is Shiite fundies. So if you are going to fight a "War on Terror" that's who (largely) you are going to end up fighting.
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