Being murdered by a Terrorist while you do your shopping is hardly combat.


Course if your trying to legitimize Terrorist just enough so that running in the face of them can be portrayed as running from "legitimate" insurgent type forces...well then you'd need to call it "combat".

After all admitting you want to run away in the face of mass murders murdering civilians in markets, mosques, etc
....turns off most decent Americans.

All right then, we could talk about Kirkuk, just to pick yet another example. There, in one of the "peaceful" provinces, the Kurds are agitating for full independence. They don't like the Iraqi constitution, and they don't want the Shia to be able to dictate what they should do with the ten billion barrels of oil they're sitting on. Let's face it, no matter which way you turn from Baghdad, things are looking a bit of a mess.

Du asks Even though I felt that the invasion was a folly once the decision to go in was made I was on the side of sending overwhelling force. Remember that Rummy fought off the generals and decided to go with a Wall-MART version of the force needed to take and hold it the right way after we took it.

We took Bagdad well but we bypassed areas and forces which came back to bite us later. Those who warned about that scenario were labled W haters, Liberals, soft on terrorism, military hater, and all sorts of stupidities.

Things don't always go completely as planned but when you go in believing that we will be met with flowers and pastry and instead it's IED 's and car bombs you hvae to admit that there was much more wrong than right with this activity.

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Then why aren't you NOW?

I don't see any of that from you guys all I see is one excuse after another to bail out under the charade of somehow it not being losing.

Every so often I see an AP story or other souerce which reports on the accidental death of someone very young, from something like heat-stroke, heasrt conditions, and more. These types of stories are aslso about military recruits, showing these kids would have died even if they were never shot or deployed to combat zones.

That doesn't stop dishonest Dems from lumping the Iraq-locale heatstroke or heart-attack deaths in with all combat fatalities. They include yokels who roll over a Humvee because they've never driven on sand. They include the suicides which absolutely *ANY* large number of people will statistically see in their midst (even the Democratic Party). Not every marksman knows how to use a weapon, even after training. Why, even in the Navy ("back in the dayh) we had people who fell or jumped overboard--not shot by the Viet Cong.

(Can't forget Learning Disabilities in this, a subjecty dear to liberals' hearts.)

Not all deaths are combat-related. Libs wan youj to think otherwise, distorting the truth for pollirtical purposes.

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quote="DuH2";p="271858"]We did.
2 things though.

1. The expectations on the intensity of the terror where not correct. (you show me any war with a plan at the beginning that holds up in the end and you just showed me a fiction novel)
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The fiction and fantasy are in the minds of Bush and his supporters. From the start the administration has thought that the Iraqi war would be a cake walk

The problem is that the administration didn’t have a real working plan for Iraq after the initial invasion( after all why plan for a cake walk)

The administration refused to acknowledge how serious the growing problems were as the war progressed

And most of the administrations assumptions for Iraq were wrong.

Bush and supporters are now indulging in the new fantasy that Iraq is retrievable as the violence grows worse and as the death squads and insurgency become more lethal in a low intensity civil war that is becoming a permanent part of the landscape.




http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/archive...hp/t-1360.html


I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they've become much weaker; (3) we've become much stronger; and (4) now we're playing for keeps.
Vice President Dick Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press" March 16:

"The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but that they want to get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."
"My guess is even significant elements of the Republican Guard are likely as well to want to avoid conflict with the U.S. forces and are likely to step aside."

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN March 23:

The fiction and fantasy are in the minds of Bush and his supporters. From the start the administration has thought that the Iraqi war would be a cake walk

The problem is that the administration didn’t have a real working plan for Iraq after the initial invasion( after all why plan for a cake walk)

The adminstration refused to acknowlge how serious the growing problems were as the war progressd

And most of the administrations assumptions for Iraq were wrong.

Bush and supporters are now indulging in the new fantasy that Iraq is retreivable as the violence grows worse and as the death squads and insurgency become more lethal in a low intensity civil war that is becoming a permanent part of the landscape.




http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/archive...hp/t-1360.html


I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they've become much weaker; (3) we've become much stronger; and (4) now we're playing for keeps.
Vice President Dick Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press" March 16:


"The read we get on the people of Iraq is there is no question but that they want to get rid of Saddam Hussein and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."
"My guess is even significant elements of the Republican Guard are likely as well to want to avoid conflict with the U.S. forces and are likely to step aside."

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN March 23: