http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/...thu/index.html

Here is the current Quin poll result:

Lieberman 53 % of likely voters
Lamont 41 % of likely voters
Alan Schlesinger Republican % 4 percent of likely voters


The four horsemen of oppoortunity Kerry, FEMALE CLINTON, Chucky Cheeze SCHUMMER, and EDWARDS gang up for Lamont.

Kerry should mind his own business and work on getting pork for his own country Taxaccussettes. Chucky Cheeze SCHUMMER don't you have terrorists to catch ? EDWARDS did you lose your way to a fund raiser ? Try Rhode Island they have mafia there and money.

You four horsemen of oppoortunity can just stay away. This is our own business here in Connecticut. We don't need the two NewYork losers nor the Catsup Ladies husband to tell us who to vote for.

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" Sarah Palin HAS elected BARACK Obama THE PRESIDENT"

Based on your anecdotal chats with others in your area, do you get the sense Joltin' Joe will be able to mend fences with the Dems, after he defeats them in their own alleyway?

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quiler asks I belive so ! Joe knows that some of these people are doing what they are just tp show loyalty to the base party so that if they are running or plan to run they will get support themselves.

Joe is a man of principle and it was not easy for him to make the decision to bolt the party. I know nthat it was made a long time ago but it still was not easy.

Joe will also have to caucus with the Dem so he has no choicde but to be at least cordial.

ps But I really resent the two bufoons from NewYork sticking their faces into my state.

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" Sarah Palin HAS elected BARACK Obama THE PRESIDENT"

Thank you for your assessment.

As for the buffoons, they travel to my state on occasion, as well. I've asked our Health Departmentg for a ruling. If Michigan can ban ash-borer trees, why can't we ban ass-boring liberals?

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If stupidity couldn't be running any more rampant in this country...

Why or HOW anyone is suprised at these latest poll numbers is completely and totally beyond me. He's overwhelmingly popular amongst the GOP goers in the state and will rake in the independent vote. If he gets anywhere NEAR half of the support he got in the primary from the Dems, he should clear 55-60% without so much as batting an eye.

This race should never have recieved the attention it did and to be honest, this REALLY hurts the Democrats in November..... IIIIF the Republicans play their cards right. People talk about big political movements and this being some sort of revolutionary thing... look there's one thing you can gather from all of this: The Democrats have no unity on the issue of national secutiry and zero plan for Iraq other than those in the party (not all) who're saying we need to leave.

If you look at elections where there's high turnover, the winning party has been able to grasp onto one or two of the biggest issues in that given campaign and tow the party line. Nice that you've got your opinion, but if you want on board, you need to fall in lock step.... The Democrats haven't come close to doing that. Their position on illegal immigration is half laughed at and there's zero unity on national security.

Now they've tossed the 'Ned Lamont Democrat' label out there for Republicans to beat them to death with as well as allowing Michael Moore to actually THREATEN their candidates! WHo in the blue hell is leading this party right now?

I'm a Republican and no doubt, I am speakign from some biases, but I can't possibly see how you can look at this in an objective manner and honestly think that the party infrastructure within the Democratic party has any clue what it's doing. To be successful, they need to have that group of folks that is incredibly prevalent in the Republican party: The guys who go up to the Dennis Kucinich's and Carol Mosely Braun's of the world and say "Thanks for showing up, we appreciate your enthusiasm, but you're killing our party by hanging around and taking air time away from the folks who could honestly win and compete". The Democrats ALLOWED NINE candidates to run for President. Shows me that they've failed on all levels to compartmentalize their special interest groups and be able to play their extremists in a role that will be effective (R's using evangelicals in 04) but keeping them from slapping any labels on the party.

Ned Lamont is just another grave blunder. This is a beyond high stakes election for the Democrats. If they can't win back a substantial chunk of seats in this political atmosphere then I wonder if they'll even sniff a majority in anything in the next ten years.

Well said. I've been a democrat since I first voted, but there is NO way I will vote for more democrats unless they get their freakin' act together! Obviously I'm not a Republican, but this observation rings really true to me. The democrats are going to get OWNED in November. I'd love to see the party utterly flounder so that it can clean house and rebuild and redefine itself with some fortitude, logic, foresight, and vision. (Tall order I know for this bunch of idiots.)

Is it fair to ask you and other disaffected Dems why the moderates gave up after Zell Miller's deadly-accurate tirade at the GOP convention? Nobody faults party loyalty, but Zell's clear-headed warning fell absolutely flat among the same crew backing Gore (who blew off the Centrist Dems while also blowing off the blowee by refusing Bubba a campaign role).

My question to Dems is, whatever happened to your moderates? Are the crazies in that tight a control? If so, what do moderate Dems plan to do, to re-hijack the Donks from the dummies?

How can Dems hope to win by howling over Willie Jefferson's lawfully warranted office-search, in light of the tinfoil in the deep-freeze? Don't they get it, that public servants are accountable to the same body of law that we are? Since when were Dems ever so cynical about legislative immunity?

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Another question: what do you feel Dems can do to bolster their claim of fiscal responsibility, in light of voting patterns clearly indicating Dems' love for higher taxes and bigger government (as long as they're the ones signing the payroll checks).

How can Dems support their claim to wanting to improve education, by supporting teacher unions opposed to losing their stranglehold on decidedly inferior public education (compared to other primary and secondary European public schools, such as Britain).

Finally, how can Dems say they want to defend America, but by every indication thus far have tried instead to weaken our government's absolute authority at catching the bad guys? How can libs possibly justify publishing national secrets for partisan political gain, then say they're strong on defense?

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They need to reevaluate the numbers and realize that they can't win on the crazies alone and since the crazies alienate other voters, going with them is a bad idea. Aside from the affair, Clinton was on the right track by endorsing free trade and welfare reform. Crats need to show that they're willing to fix the things they broke in addition to the things the Pubs broke. They need to quit knee-jerking whenever the Pubs come up with some reform idea and think of how they can actually improve on the ideas and make them Democratic ideas... Social Security reform should have been co-opted by the Crats, not rejected.
But the Clinton era didn't work for getting Crats the Congress and p!$$ed off the borderline Greens, so it seems this leftist thing is reactionary... multiplied by the fact that we're in a war that's largely unpopular with the Democratic base.
The polarization brought on by the war and by religious tensions during the last election does not favor the Crats well. In order to function, the Crats need a certain level of political stability. So it's understandable why they want us out of the war. The problem is that they're grasping to do it and coming up with lousy, half-@$$ed ways to get us out.
If the Crats are to endure they need moderation. The problem with leftism that even progressives should be aware of is that too much at a time leads to strong reactionary sentiments. The biggest historical example is fascism coming into power as a reaction to communist popularity. It' also seen in Latin American military coups. Also, it is best to take progress with baby steps... A lot of extreme liberal ideologies resemble 1984 and it's mostly because there is no quick way to reach them without authoritarianism. Rights for all and adaptation to the changes in our world are meant to be taken slow. Leftists are good for sparking thought but a functioning Center Left party must learn to bring the idealism into real world pragmatism if it wishes to be a useful force.
I think it is only a matter of time before the lunatics are reigned in. Otherwise we sane liberals need to make a new party and let the lefties go ruin the Green Party.

The Crats do need to learn to stop playing games with politics. Every time they do, they fall into the Pubs' traps. Instead of talking about corruption, they should actually draft legislation to change the situation. Let the Pubs fail to pass it but incorporate the rules into their own party structure- and follow them! Corruption is an issue, not the isolated cases- especially when half the isolated cases are their own!

Shouldn't be too hard with the deficit growing like it is now. But earlier I mentioned what they need to do. They need to reform their own programs rather than wait for Pubs to make an issue over it. They should be involved in preserving their own programs AND helping solve the problems they propose to care about by making them more efficient and well-targeted.
They should

Neither party ever really does anything to improve education. The teacher thing is a red herring since the teachers themselves do not even begin to cover the whole problem with our system. Crats need however to come up with ideas... any ideas. I don't see why they don't take the voucher idea and tweek it to a more Democratic version. Also the Crats need to help workers not bureaus. Unions are becoming a thing of the past. They should be self-sufficient like the ones that actually fought for the important worker rights we take for granted, not these bloated mini-corporations of embezzlement.

Depends. You assume these secrets in question are necessary for defense. Some of us don't think so. What the Crats need is a firm and realistic stance. Any. Or they can learn to be divided in a civil manner.

The theme: The Crats need to be liberal. Not radical. Not stuck on their old ways. They need to try new things, quit being timid, and learn to tell the wackos to screw off.

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That information is classified and to be given only on a need-to-know basis...

And I do not need to know.

quilter wonders why the democrats don't embrace zell and his comments as their own? here is a portion of that text (possibly the more sane portion of a contemptible oration - but then we are discussing why the democrats are not supporting another turncoat). said it before, if this were 1776 quitter would be defending the status quo actions of our incumbent king george. quitter seems to have a fondness for traitors.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...ler2004rnc.htm

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"I like to watch the news, because I don't like people very much and when you watch the news ... if you ever had an idea that people were really terrible, you could watch the news and know that you're right."

Frank Zappa

The crazies, I don't feel, are in control of the Democratic party, but they are the most organized wing of the Democratic party. The Democrats, flat out, need to re-organize their special interests.

One of the things the Republicans have done a masterful job at doing over the years is compartmentalizing their SE into three nice neat lumps. The GOP is primarily three parties under one roof: The Party of Wealth, THe Party of National Security, and THe Party of traditional values. While not one of these parties agrees 100% with the other, they at least tow the line on80% of things, and uniting them is very easy.

Now flip over to the Democratic side. Nothing, in my mind, amplifies the disorganization of the Democratic party quite like the 2004 Presidential Election, which featured nine candidates when all was said and done, each one of which you could make an argument that they represented a new special interest within the party:

Joe Liberman-- Moderates
John Kerry-- Establishment Democrats
John Edwards-- Southern Populist
Howard Dean-- Neo Liberal
Dick Gephardt-- Labor
Dennis Kucinich-- Fringe left
Al Sharpton-- Minority Voters
Carol Mosely Braun-- Feminist Movement

Now the funny thing is, that Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich should probobly be bed buddies, but for whatever reason, they're not. So could Sharpton, Braun and other minority lobbies. But they're not either. Establishment Democrats and labor should go hand in hand, but they don't. You'd think the Southern Populist and Moderates would find common ground on social issues, but they don't.

That is the issue in the Democratic party. There's too many cooks in the kitchen. It's one thing to call yourself the big umbrella party, but it's another thing to actually pack everyone in there. The Democrats need those party hacks that can tell the Ned Lamonts of the world to go away or face political ruin. There's no two ways about it. The Republicans have done this and therefore, holding the ranks has been far easier.

Of course these are all based on idealogical differences. That's something that needs to be taken up within the Democratic party and discussed and debated at length. Time has come for a new all inclusive platform for the Democrats. If you take a look at the Mondale-Regan debates in 1984 and the Kerry-Bush debates in 2004 twenty years later, you're essentially watching the same debate, at least on the Democratic side of the stage. The Democrats have ridden the same platform since the 1930s. It's changed very little and what's been implimented has been a mixed bag of major successes and major failures. The Democrats need to look forward and stop criticizing Republicans for look back, and establish an new, all inclusive platform, even if it takes 12 years to do so or risk the cultural importance of the conservatives in Canada.