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Old 09-14-2006, 02:04 PM
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WASHINGTON - A rebellious Senate committee defied President Bush on Thursday and approved a bill on the treatment of terrorism detainees that he has vowed to block, escalating a Republican civil war over the issue in the middle of congressional election campaigns.

Sen. John Warner, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, pushed the measure through his panel by a 15-9 vote, with Warner and three other Republican lawmakers joining opposition Democrats.

The tally set the stage for a showdown on the Senate floor as early as next week.

The vote came hours after former Secretary of State Colin Powell protested harsh interrogations of terror suspects as the president lobbied personally for it on Capitol Hill.

“I will resist any bill that does not enable this program to go forward with legal clarity,” Bush told reporters back at the White House after his meeting with lawmakers.

The latest sign of GOP division over White House security policy came Thursday in a letter that Powell sent to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., one of three senators taking on the White House. Powell said Congress must not pass Bush’s proposal to redefine U.S. compliance with the Geneva Conventions, a treaty that sets international standards for the treatment of prisoners of war.

White House spokesman Tony Snow, asked if Powell was merely confused about the White House’s goals, said: “Yes.”

Pressed further on why Powell might write such a letter, Snow said: “We didn’t hear from him, so I don’t know.”

The campaign-season development accompanied Bush’s visit to Capitol Hill, where he conferred behind closed doors with House Republicans. His plan would narrow the U.S. legal interpretation of the Geneva Conventions treaty in a bid to allow tougher interrogations and shield U.S. personnel from being prosecuted for war crimes.

Wonder how the neocons are going to spin this -- John Warner is one of their darlings. ROFLMAO at Bush sputtering angrily insisting that he has every right to dictatorial powers. Can't wait for the Republican foaming at the mouth to begin. Hey, maybe the real traitors to the war on terrorism is in Bush's own party. LOL

My how the cows have come home.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:23 PM
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amazing how every single person that leaves this adminiastration has nothing but bad things to say about it. well, maybe it's not amazing....but it sure is telling.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:55 PM
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Democrats use the term "neocon" because it sounds like "neonazi". This is a slight of hand to try to trick everyone into thinking that Conservative is synonymous with da Nazis. Do not be fooled. The Democrats, Fascism and Communism are all closely related ideologies. Conservatism, and America stands seperate from all that leftist nonsense.
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Old 09-14-2006, 10:25 PM
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Neo-Cons are not conservative.

Period.
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Old 09-14-2006, 10:47 PM
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amazing how every single person that leaves this adminiastration has nothing but bad things to say about it. well, maybe it's not amazing....but it sure is telling.
You must be young.
Happens in every single administration... It about as new as wood.

Oh and Neo-Cons.. basically based around the ideals of Ronald Reagan with a dose of Nationalism. You can find their basic philosophy under the mission statement of PNAC.

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June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/st...principles.htm


Its a philosophy most Americans agree with ..if not declaring themselves part of. Thats why the far left and the "whatevers" liek nonsqtr have such a hard time making it evil...in order to do so they have to lie about what it stands for and basically demean everything related to the USA.
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is it about the Senate being logical or about Wrongy forgetting that fascism is nationalism gone overboard (which party is that right now?)
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Here DuH2, I've bolded the relevant part of this for you:

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amazing how every single person that leaves this adminiastration has nothing but bad things to say about it. well, maybe it's not amazing....but it sure is telling.
You must be young.
Happens in every single administration... It about as new as wood.

Oh and Neo-Cons.. basically based around the ideals of Ronald Reagan with a dose of Nationalism. You can find their basic philosophy under the mission statement of PNAC.

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June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/st...principles.htm


Its a philosophy most Americans agree with ..if not declaring themselves part of. Thats why the far left and the "whatevers" liek nonsqtr have such a hard time making it evil...in order to do so they have to lie about what it stands for and basically demean everything related to the USA.
Transation of the bolded part: does America have the guts to impose its will on the rest of the world?

That's such an anti-conservative position, it's almost laughable.

You've got me all wrong, DuH2. I'm about the farthest thing from a "whatever" guy there ever was.

But, I wouldn't expect you to understand that. My opinion is, you've bought into something you don't understand, and you're unwilling to peek under the covers to see what's really there.

'Cause if you really believe that bolded cr*p, then you're a very dangerous person, not only for the "rest of the world", but for me personally as an upstanding American citizen.

My thought right now is, I'm going to vote you down. I'm going to do everything I can to ensure that BS like this never ever rises to the level of the Presidency again.

Let's face it, Bushie is a failure. Everything he touches turns to doggie poop. The Neo-Con ideology is a gigantic farce, it's completely bankrupt, both morally and in terms of implementation. It's creating way more problems than it's solving (the count on the latter piece being zero).

'Nighty 'night, Neo-Cons. I hope y'all sleep well in your imaginary dream-world, where things like "America is safer today than it was five years ago" keep appearing on your dreamy Faux Noise re-runs.

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As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
Outstanding.

Oh and don't forget the UK in your hate.....becasue it is the Destiny of our two great nations to shape the future of this planet in favor of our principles and interests.
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As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
Outstanding.

Oh and don't forget the UK in your hate.....becasue it is the Destiny of our two great nations to shape the future of this planet in favor of our principles and interests.
What a farce! Look, DuH2, I'm going to once again stick this right in your face:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
I don't know what you think "our" principles and "our" interests are, but I'm going to point out specifically, that the Declaration states that all men are created equal. It specifically doesn't say "all Americans". It says "all men".

Do you believe that, or don't you?

Are those "our" principles, or aren't they?

Are those "your" principles, or aren't they?
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All men are created equal...and through the USA and the UK all men will at some point in time enjoy those freedoms principles and interests you declared to be "crap".

I'll just leave you with an American Proverb


"If you don't have a plan for yourself, you'll be a part of someone else's."
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