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Old 09-18-2006, 11:11 AM
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let pope say first that i am very sorry for what i said and that will solve this rare cases and 9/11 was a zionist white house conspiracy-truth bringers of america say this and i support them as they investigate everything.
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Christians, Jews, and moderate Muslims have no intention of spreading their religion to anyone. Sad to think someone would be so morally confused...but its okay...you will soon understand. Just don't kill anyone in the mean time.
It's not me you need to worry about killing anyone. It's the hordes of fools who wish to continue eternal hatred in order to make themselves feel righteous you need to worry about.
My morals are pretty well set. I don't change my position based on what an organization tells me "God" is siding this week. Killing doesn't become a good deed for me just because the potential victim is not well with "God".
I can't say that for religious freaks. They're the only ones I hear saying an entire group should be punished for the anecdotal crimes of some.
For being so pro-life, do you ever wonder how many babies zealots kill by dumping 'em out with the bathwater.
I find it interesting that when you feel the need to defend religion, suddenly moderate Muslims are worthy of your attention... but they are a slim, nonexistent minority (by what evidence you say this, I have no idea) that is not worthy of your attention when you're defending piling the whole of Islam together to be condemned. Funny.
Frankly I hope I never come to your understanding. The only thing we share in common is that I too think eventually moderate Islam will win over the extremists... I find it strange that you believe so since they are an irrelevant minority that you seem bound and determined to push further into the arms of extremism by ignoring them... Certainly the moderates will win with no thanks from the likes of you, who seem keen on pretending they're not there.
Moral confusion? What I'm confused about is how you managed to incorporate the above-quoted paragraph with your assertions that decent Muslims deserve to be ignored and the whole of Islam should be condemned... I guess there is at least a limit to how far religious fanatics will go out of their way to hate each other.
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Old 09-18-2006, 11:31 AM
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I wonder if all this is because peoples faith is actually so small, so weak, that they fear, and then hate, anything that they feel is a possibility of toppling their own faith? Christians who blow up abortionists, Muslims who kill nuns, and all these, is it a possibility that they are the weakest of the believers, and not the strongest as the fundamentalists (aargh, this word is too long, any one mind if I just call them Fundies from now on?) preach.

I truly think believers who preach tolerance and co-existence in all faiths are the real believers, the strong ones, the ones comfortable and secure in their own beliefs.

If God exists, I sure would hope these are the ones he is proud of.
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I wonder if all this is because peoples faith is actually so small, so weak, that they fear, and then hate, anything that they feel is a possibility of toppling their own faith? Christians who blow up abortionists, Muslims who kill nuns, and all these, is it a possibility that they are the weakest of the believers, and not the strongest as the fundamentalists (aargh, this word is too long, any one mind if I just call them Fundies from now on?) preach.

I truly think believers who preach tolerance and co-existence in all faiths are the real believers, the strong ones, the ones comfortable and secure in their own beliefs.

If God exists, I sure would hope these are the ones he is proud of.
I think you're on to something.
But it seems like tolerance is going out of fashion these days.
Muslim fundamentalists. Christian fundamentalists. Hindu fundamentalists.
All so concerned about perceived threats against their culture... all so determined to feel righteous in relation to the "others".
It's almost worth it to push for the Evil Secular Liberal Tolerance boogeyman they're all afraid of because the ridiculous fears that this image instills seems the only thing they are all willing to work together on. They need a common hate in order to stop hating each other for a second.
I'm not too fond of that idea though because I don't feel like being burned at the stake as a heretic when all these zealots team up against their illusory fear... I think I'd almost rather see them destroy each other. Obviously they're never going to settle for tolerance.
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I don't change my position based on what an organization tells me "God" is siding this week. Killing doesn't become a good deed for me just because the potential victim is not well with "God".
...for this part...you're absolutely correct. Unfortunately the Islamic Extremist think God is telling them to kill. Their organizational influence hasn't changed. If you're Pro-Life for all religions and cultures...its good to hear you're not on their side.

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Certainly the moderates will win with no thanks from the likes of you
"The likes of me" is to condemn the extremist actions...and the moderate will never win until they reach that understanding.
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"The likes of me" is to condemn the extremist actions...and the moderate will never win until they reach that understanding.
If you only condemn the bad, but do not acknowledge the good, all you do is push them all closer together.
The reason moderates do not spend more time attacking radicals (verbally)is because they already have their hands full defending themselves.
So rather than attacking them with the enemy by refusing to acknowledge their existence and assaulting them for not doing a better job of it, perhaps you should encourage those that do stick up against the extremists.
Why is this concept so evasive?
Positive reinforcement for positive deeds, negative for negative. One without the other is pointless.
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Those who feel moderate Islamics are just as evil as the Jihadist are mentally ill.

Although public outcries of moderates against the Jihadist are rare...the news I watch praises them, the people I listen to praise them, and writers I read praise them.

Initially I thought you were just being ignorant since your posts are normally well informed. I guess I was wrong. Your getting your news and political opinions from the wrong places.
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let pope say first that i am very sorry for what i said and that will solve this rare cases and 9/11 was a zionist white house conspiracy-truth bringers of america say this and i support them as they investigate everything.
The Pope does not have to believe as you do about Islam, Political. And neither do I....and neither does anyone else. We are not Islamic nor do we adhere to anything that you believe in. Believe what you will; and we will believe what we will.

From what I'm seeing, many Muslims are only PROVING what the Pope said. IF you truly don't agree with such violence, your disgust should be at your fellow Muslims: NOT at the Pope.
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well it was not right to kill a nun for what pope said but then again u generalise the action of two people as the actions of whole muslims-dont generalise-we dont generalise the actions of bush to be the actions of all americans.
you generalize Americans all the time at this site. I can find dozens of occurrences where you have done so. Now the shoe is on the other foot. At least we (or most of us) realize this isn't the majority of Muslims. Although sadly it is not an insignificant percentage either.
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The Pope did the best he could by saying he is sorry. Can the Pope tell a LIE and say what he said was not true? I don't think so. I imagine the Pope regrets ever saying it, but is he supposed to fix it by saying an outright lie now? He is caught between a rock and a hard palce.
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