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Old 10-16-2006, 03:08 AM
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Default D Armey sites corruption of Power/Repub Downfall

Dick Armey sites corruption of power and not keeping to the priciples as reason that Repubtiles may lose House. Armey sites the Schiavo case and Gay issues as times that Repubs went overboard and pandered( my word) to the evengenical Christians ( his word). He said that the Repubs lost there way by try to stay in power too much when they did not need to. He sited Cunningham but eh best was of his fellow Texan Delay as an example of the way Delay was "doing business". Armey said that Delay was acting that way even before Armey was in the power structure.

JP and Fife have and will try to defEnd Delay but I will accept Armey's words becasue they appear to be honest in opinion and not RNC parroted.

Armey noted that both parties tend to lose their way once in power and therefore causee their own downfall.

I will try to get a site since this was on NPR and not written but I heard him while waiting for my coffee to brew this AM.
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:24 AM
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Great, Dick Army just went ass-hole . He is officially now running for president.

When Republicans start going traitor like that, they typically start running for president. He is appealing to the braindead moderates, and a few retarded Democrats, when he makes statements like that, and when you appeal to the other side you are running for another higher office.

Look at Hillary. She is suddenly all gung-ho with war, abandoning most Democrats, why? Because the whore is running for president.
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Default Armey: 'Parochial' GOP Has 'Compromised' Agenda

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=6264356

This is a good analysis of what happened to the GOP and some of us have said the same thing and were called "W ha t e r s" by the very buffoons who should be listening to Armey. The link has the entire interview so anyone with at least one good ear can listen. Armey also has something to say about Delay and about corruption. !!!

And you Demons out there who may take over the house you should take this one extract out of what Armey said = "I think they've had an obsessive concern about losing their majority, " and take it to heart becasue if you are lucky enough to win back the house and you play the game the way the GOP did this time or the way the Demons did the last time the Demons were in you will lose it back to the Repubtiles.


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"I think they've had an obsessive concern about losing their majority, and in the process, they have compromised their agenda," Armey says.

Armey says the GOP has failed to seize "the big ideas, like Social Security reform. This is the most important public-policy issue of our generation. Our Republican majority with a Republican in the White House should have taken this -- as we say in Texas -- this bull by the horns and fixed this thing."

He says tax reform and out-of-control spending are two other issues the Republicans have failed to address.
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Default very parochial and very political

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They've turned in a direction that's... very parochial and very political, and I think it reflects a certain amount of insecurity on the part of the Republicans with respect to whether or not they can hold their majority," the Texas Republican tells Steve Inskeep.
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Dick Armey sites corruption of power and not keeping to the priciples as reason that Repubtiles may lose House. Armey sites the Schiavo case and Gay issues as times that Repubs went overboard and pandered( my word) to the evengenical Christians ( his word). He said that the Repubs lost there way by try to stay in power too much when they did not need to. He sited Cunningham but eh best was of his fellow Texan Delay as an example of the way Delay was "doing business". Armey said that Delay was acting that way even before Armey was in the power structure.

JP and Fife have and will try to defEnd Delay but I will accept Armey's words becasue they appear to be honest in opinion and not RNC parroted.

Armey noted that both parties tend to lose their way once in power and therefore causee their own downfall.

I will try to get a site since this was on NPR and not written but I heard him while waiting for my coffee to brew this AM.
Oh come on f100. You must be joking. All of a sudden----because Dick Armey says something you think is anti-Republican----he's suddenly your new best friend and buddy and you respect and admire what he thinks. IF you'll remember......Dems could NOT stand Armey's guts when he was in Congress!!! And I remember that ALL TOO WELL.....because he was MY Congressman.

Tom Delay didn't do anything wrong......and certainly nothing that every other Congressman and woman has done---which is to fight hard for THEIR party. Tom Delay got targeted by Democrats when he dared to take the position that the Texas redistricting map should reflect the will of the Texas voters who are sent to D.C. to represent them. Now.......UNLESS you are willing to look at us with a straight face and swear to us that YOU BELIEVE that when your state is MAJORITY DEMOCRAT; therefore, you should be represented by Republicans in Congress....then you must agree that there is nothing wrong with his belief.
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I'm glad to see at least one major political figure has smelled the coffee....

And isn't getting it confused with the odor emanating from his backside....

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Default All truth does not emanate from the RNC or the DNC.

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Oh come on f100. You must be joking. All of a sudden----because Dick Armey says something you think is anti-Republican----he's suddenly your new best friend and buddy and you respect and admire what he thinks. IF you'll remember......Dems could NOT stand Armey's guts when he was in Congress!!! And I remember that ALL TOO WELL.....because he was MY Congressman.
Oh you come on JP Dick Armey's interview is not anti- Republican and I did not construe it as such. What his interview represents is a truthful assessment of what the Repubs did and how they acted in office. Yes it is opinion, his, and it obviously is not yours. You see JP I neither accept nor reject all of what either side says or thinks as I believe you do. I accept what makes sense to me at any point in time and reject what does not regardless of which side it comes from.

The other point that you missed if you read and listened to the interview is that what the Armey said is applicable to either party in concept if not in exact issues. The point being if you do not act properly and do not deliver what you said you will you will most likely be shown the exit door in some future election.

Your other problem here is that you just cannot comprehend that the issues of the country are not 100 % Republican or 100 % Democratic. Not 100 % black or 100 % white.

The real world where most of us rational people tend to live has shades of grey and hues of many colors and the truth may sometimes be absolute but many times there are nuances of truths that are different but not necessarily wrong. You are an absolutist. The mind of an absolutist is not capable of understanding nuances.

All truth does not emanate from the RNC or the DNC. Sadly in your world all of your truth comes only from the RNC. HOW SAD !!!!
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So, basically what you're saying is that you have no core principles or convictions or beliefs. Your job is simply to blast and condemn whichever party is currently in the majority....right? Now...that's sad.

I realize that all Republicans in office are not perfect. And in fact, I've said so on here many times. But I back the party who more closely matches my core beliefs. And I also know that regardless of the fact not all of them are perfect.....nobody is.....they are far better than the alternative; the Democrats.

But I AM happy to see you have a new-found respect and appreciation for Dick Armey. I want to hear that continue from you when he runs for office again.
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Default No JP, I never said that I did not have core principles

No JP, I never said that I did not have core principles that is your misguided conclusion. My core principles can exist within the principles of both parties. Over the years my core priciples have match one party more than the other but never 100% in any party. Hense a few years ago I decided to independent unless and until one of the parties evolves and satisfies the vast majority of my core priciples.


Even then I will blast either party if they are stupid !!!!
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So, basically what you're saying is that you have no core principles or convictions or beliefs. Your job is simply to blast and condemn whichever party is currently in the majority....right? Now...that's sad.

I realize that all Republicans in office are not perfect. And in fact, I've said so on here many times. But I back the party who more closely matches my core beliefs. And I also know that regardless of the fact not all of them are perfect.....nobody is.....they are far better than the alternative; the Democrats.

But I AM happy to see you have a new-found respect and appreciation for Dick Armey. I want to hear that continue from you when he runs for office again.
Un-freakin'-believable.

See, that's typical for your ilk, just 'cause you want to remain power.

Suddenly a political point gets translated into "you have no convictions"......

OMG.

I repeat, your Texas Republican Party was the one who formally institionalized into your Party Platform, "the United States is a Christian Nation".

What could possibly be more stupid than that?

You're unbelievable JP, literally and figuratively.

You don't have a leg to stand on, and you know it.

That much, should be as painfully obvious to you as it is to me.

And you're the one who's telling me my job is to "blast and condemn"?

Un-freakin'-believable.

"The Party that more closely matches my core beliefs", huh?

Hmm.... Maybe you ought to think twice about that one. Your party has sold you out. Trust me. I know who you are and where you're coming from, but you can't possibly mean that anymore, can you?

Your Party is bankrupt. They're going to lose this next election. And after that, they're going into the toilet far deeper than you can imagine.

And you still want to stand here and tell me about your "core beliefs"?

What about... nevermind. Point made.

Look, your core beliefs are essentially the same as mine. But you're missing the central concept: IMPLEMENTATION.

I agree we can't walk away from Iraq.

I agree that we can't allow child molesters to run around wild on our streets.

I agree that we have a big, BIG problem on our Southern Border.

But look at the IMPLEMENTATION. Surely you can't be dumb enough to try to tell me that any of that makes sense?

Wake up, JP. For some reason I feel the need to get through to you. If you want me to stop, just say so and I'll back off.

I'm just trying to make a POLITICAL point here, which is that people like you, have to really think about what's going on now.

Dems are Dems, and whatever.... but people like you and me, we have to realize we have a big hot poker in a very unpleasant place, and it ain't coming from the Dems, it's coming from US.

The kind of rhetoric you just espoused, is exactly what's wrong with our political process today. And no one's buying it, you're wasting your breath on anyone intelligent in this forum.

Got it? Hmm.....
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