Lynne Stewart sentenced to 28 months in jail

nonsqtr · #1 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 09:34 PM

What do you think?

Deserved?

She supposedly communicated various frivolous message to the foollowers of Sheik Abdel-Rahman, who then passed them along, and so on and so forth.

28 months, let's see, that's about a year and half with good behavior (but knowing Lynne, she might have a hard time with "good behavior")....

Ouch. There's Bushie for you. Okay, it's legit. Fair enough. But really, this kind of thing pales in comparison to the unaddressed conseqeunces of what's happening on our Southern Border right now, yes?

glitch · #2 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nonsqtr";p=&quot

What do you think?

Deserved?

She supposedly communicated various frivolous message to the foollowers of Sheik Abdel-Rahman, who then passed them along, and so on and so forth.

28 months, let's see, that's about a year and half with good behavior (but knowing Lynne, she might have a hard time with "good behavior")....

Ouch. There's Bushie for you. Okay, it's legit. Fair enough. But really, this kind of thing pales in comparison to the unaddressed conseqeunces of what's happening on our Southern Border right now, yes?

She knew she was commiting criminal acts and aiding a terrorist. This was one evil dude responsible for the deaths of several Americans as well as hundreds of others oversees.

I found it interesting George Sorros was paying for her defense. Democrats should quit lining up at his coffers.

DuH2 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 10:34 PM

She knowingly passed on information from one terrorist to another....
One of the correspondence as I recall caused the group in Egypt to kill some tourists..

28 months is a disgrace....28 years would have been generous as she should have been given the full 30 years.

nonsqtr · #4 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DuH2";p=&quot

... caused the group in Egypt to kill some tourists..

That is indeed a serious charge. Can you back that up?

I can't locate it on the web right now.

I'm looking for a "direct connection", and if you can provide one (free of partisan drivel, that is), I would greatly appreciate it.

Maybe you're right. I can't tell right now. Maybe you know more than the intelligence boys do... it's hard to tell on this forum, sometimes.

No sweat. If you're making this claim and you can back it up, then I'll listen, most definitely.

If you can't back it up though, with a direct connection, then it's hard to say what your claim is worth.

I've heard all kinds of things about Lynne, some good and some bad.

I know her, and she doesn't seem to me to be stupid enough to bring about anything like that.

But maybe you know something I don't. Be careful though. I expect rock-solid evidence.

DuH2 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 01:10 AM

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On February 10, 2005, Stewart was convicted of providing material support (through a press conference and allowing access by her translator) to a terrorist conspiracy to kill persons outside of the United States and conspiring to defraud the U.S. government when acting as counsel to Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric who was convicted in 1996 of plotting terrorist attacks against various sites in the New York City area. Specifically, she was accused, in a federal grand jury indictment, of passing Rahman's blessing for a resumption of terrorist operations to his fundamentalist Muslim terrorist cell in Egypt after cell members inquired whether they should continue to honor a ceasefire that was in place against the Egyptian government.

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Stewart was accused of using her meetings with Abdel Rahman to facilitate communications between Abdel Rahman and members of Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, in English), an Egyptian organization classified as a terrorist group by the Department of State. Stewart was alleged to have allowed her Arabic translator and co-defendant, Mohammed Yousry, to use her meetings with Abdel Rahman to receive communications for passing to followers. She was also charged with releasing her client's press conference statements, which declared his withdrawal of support for Al-Gama'a's cease-fire against the Egyptian government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

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17. On or about November 17, 1997, six assassins shot and stabbed a group of tourists visiting an archeological site in Luxor,. Egypt. Fifty-eight foreign tourists were killed along with four Egyptians, some of whom were police officers. Before making their exit, the terrorists scattered leaflets espousing their support for the Islamic Group and calling for the release of Abdel Rahman. Also, the torso of one victim was slit by the terrorists and a leaflet calling for Abdel Rahman's release was inserted.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/t...11903sind.html

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LUXOR, Egypt (Reuters) - Egypt's biggest Islamic militant group said Tuesday it had carried out the Luxor attack in which nearly 60 tourists killed in an attempt to free its leader from a U.S. prison. Al-Gama'a al-Islamiya (Islamic Group) said in a statement received by Reuters that it had planned to take hostage as many tourists as possible to force the release of its leader, blind cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, from a U.S. jail.

The Gama'a said the aim was to win freedom for its leader, blind cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, convicted in 1995 in the United States for conspiring to blow up the United Nations building and other New York City landmarks.

............

The group said 15 militants carried out the attack, four of whom had been killed and two captured. Officials have said only six gunmen were involved and all were killed by police. An Interior Ministry statement said 31 Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one Colombian, one French and one Bulgarian national were among the dead. Seven foreigners had not been identified, it added. Four Egyptians, including two policemen, were also killed.
Swiss officials in Berne put the Swiss death toll at 35, with five unaccounted for. Britain has confirmed six Britons killed. Germany says it believes four Germans died. Japan has said 10 Japanese were killed, including seven honeymooners.

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/...or_attack.html

This specifically has to do with a 2000 charge..but CONTEXT is king. Now we can all act like we're stupid but we're not so don't try..

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In October 1995, Rahman was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Stewart and former attorney general Ramsey Clark, a courtly Texan with decidedly left-wing politics, set about trying to persuade the United States to transfer Rahman to an Egyptian prison. They asked Yousry to return to the case in 1997.

Yousry declined -- he wanted to write his dissertation and teach. His adviser, historian Zachary Lockman, suggested a marriage of academics and work. "Knowing that he would have access to the FBI tapes and to Rahman, I suggested a biography of Rahman and his movement," Lockman said. "I guess I'm responsible in a very sad way for the trouble he's in."

In April 1997, Attorney General Janet Reno imposed unprecedented restrictions known as "special administrative measures" on Rahman, denying him access to mail, newspapers and any visitor except his wife and attorneys. Prosecutors argued that Rahman's words were so dangerous that they constituted a weapon. Theirs was not an idle worry: Egyptian militants had slaughtered 58 tourists in Luxor in 1997 in hopes of forcing Rahman's release.

Clark and Stewart signed the administrative measures. Prosecutors did not demand the same of Yousry. The defense attorneys repeatedly tested the regulations. Clark in 1997 told reporters of Rahman's support for a cease-fire with the Egyptian government without earning a rebuke from prosecutors.

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But Stewart did not realize that a year earlier Justice Department lawyers -- under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- obtained permission to secretly videotape visits to Rahman in his maximum-security prison in Rochester, Minn. They also obtained wiretaps on Yousry and Sattar.

At the core of the government's case were two prison meetings with Rahman in May 2000. On May 19, Yousry read a note to Rahman from his radical followers, asking whether to maintain a cease-fire with the Egyptian government. Rahman dictated a response the next day. Contrary to prosecution claims, government tapes show the cleric did not favor ending the cease-fire.

"The militants," Rahman wrote to his attorney in Egypt, "should not cancel it altogether."

Stewart chattered to distract the guards and joked with Yousry that they could get in trouble. Prosecutors argued this was proof of a "red-handed" conspiracy. Yousry denied involvement, saying Stewart reveled in thumbing her nose at prosecutors.

On June 14, 2000, Stewart -- without Yousry's knowledge -- read a statement about the cease-fire to a Reuters correspondent. Misinterpreting Rahman's intent, she said he had withdrawn his support for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1500940_3.html

IOW they didn't just decide out of the blue that she was a problem. They decided this course of action based on the actions of her, her defendant, and his terrorist group.

You know this trash.WHY does that not surprise me???
..meet her at a MoveOn.org rally?

For a now "centrist" former self proclaimed Conservative Republican I find it funny you know one of the formerly most Far Left radical defense attorneys in the US...............now Ramseys all alone...defendign SADDAM HUSSEIN.

nonsqtr · #6 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DuH2";p=&quot

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On February 10, 2005, Stewart was convicted of providing material support (through a press conference and allowing access by her translator) to a terrorist conspiracy to kill persons outside of the United States and conspiring to defraud the U.S. government when acting as counsel to Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind Egyptian cleric who was convicted in 1996 of plotting terrorist attacks against various sites in the New York City area. Specifically, she was accused, in a federal grand jury indictment, of passing Rahman's blessing for a resumption of terrorist operations to his fundamentalist Muslim terrorist cell in Egypt after cell members inquired whether they should continue to honor a ceasefire that was in place against the Egyptian government.

Quote:

Stewart was accused of using her meetings with Abdel Rahman to facilitate communications between Abdel Rahman and members of Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, in English), an Egyptian organization classified as a terrorist group by the Department of State. Stewart was alleged to have allowed her Arabic translator and co-defendant, Mohammed Yousry, to use her meetings with Abdel Rahman to receive communications for passing to followers. She was also charged with releasing her client's press conference statements, which declared his withdrawal of support for Al-Gama'a's cease-fire against the Egyptian government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

Quote:

17. On or about November 17, 1997, six assassins shot and stabbed a group of tourists visiting an archeological site in Luxor,. Egypt. Fifty-eight foreign tourists were killed along with four Egyptians, some of whom were police officers. Before making their exit, the terrorists scattered leaflets espousing their support for the Islamic Group and calling for the release of Abdel Rahman. Also, the torso of one victim was slit by the terrorists and a leaflet calling for Abdel Rahman's release was inserted.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/t...11903sind.html

Quote:

LUXOR, Egypt (Reuters) - Egypt's biggest Islamic militant group said Tuesday it had carried out the Luxor attack in which nearly 60 tourists killed in an attempt to free its leader from a U.S. prison. Al-Gama'a al-Islamiya (Islamic Group) said in a statement received by Reuters that it had planned to take hostage as many tourists as possible to force the release of its leader, blind cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, from a U.S. jail.

The Gama'a said the aim was to win freedom for its leader, blind cleric Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, convicted in 1995 in the United States for conspiring to blow up the United Nations building and other New York City landmarks.

............

The group said 15 militants carried out the attack, four of whom had been killed and two captured. Officials have said only six gunmen were involved and all were killed by police. An Interior Ministry statement said 31 Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one Colombian, one French and one Bulgarian national were among the dead. Seven foreigners had not been identified, it added. Four Egyptians, including two policemen, were also killed.
Swiss officials in Berne put the Swiss death toll at 35, with five unaccounted for. Britain has confirmed six Britons killed. Germany says it believes four Germans died. Japan has said 10 Japanese were killed, including seven honeymooners.

http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/...or_attack.html

This specifically has to do with a 2000 charge..but CONTEXT is king. Now we can all act like we're stupid but we're not so don't try..

Quote:

In October 1995, Rahman was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Stewart and former attorney general Ramsey Clark, a courtly Texan with decidedly left-wing politics, set about trying to persuade the United States to transfer Rahman to an Egyptian prison. They asked Yousry to return to the case in 1997.

Yousry declined -- he wanted to write his dissertation and teach. His adviser, historian Zachary Lockman, suggested a marriage of academics and work. "Knowing that he would have access to the FBI tapes and to Rahman, I suggested a biography of Rahman and his movement," Lockman said. "I guess I'm responsible in a very sad way for the trouble he's in."

In April 1997, Attorney General Janet Reno imposed unprecedented restrictions known as "special administrative measures" on Rahman, denying him access to mail, newspapers and any visitor except his wife and attorneys. Prosecutors argued that Rahman's words were so dangerous that they constituted a weapon. Theirs was not an idle worry: Egyptian militants had slaughtered 58 tourists in Luxor in 1997 in hopes of forcing Rahman's release.

Clark and Stewart signed the administrative measures. Prosecutors did not demand the same of Yousry. The defense attorneys repeatedly tested the regulations. Clark in 1997 told reporters of Rahman's support for a cease-fire with the Egyptian government without earning a rebuke from prosecutors.

Quote:

But Stewart did not realize that a year earlier Justice Department lawyers -- under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act -- obtained permission to secretly videotape visits to Rahman in his maximum-security prison in Rochester, Minn. They also obtained wiretaps on Yousry and Sattar.

At the core of the government's case were two prison meetings with Rahman in May 2000. On May 19, Yousry read a note to Rahman from his radical followers, asking whether to maintain a cease-fire with the Egyptian government. Rahman dictated a response the next day. Contrary to prosecution claims, government tapes show the cleric did not favor ending the cease-fire.

"The militants," Rahman wrote to his attorney in Egypt, "should not cancel it altogether."

Stewart chattered to distract the guards and joked with Yousry that they could get in trouble. Prosecutors argued this was proof of a "red-handed" conspiracy. Yousry denied involvement, saying Stewart reveled in thumbing her nose at prosecutors.

On June 14, 2000, Stewart -- without Yousry's knowledge -- read a statement about the cease-fire to a Reuters correspondent. Misinterpreting Rahman's intent, she said he had withdrawn his support for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...1500940_3.html

IOW they didn't just decide out of the blue that she was a problem. They decided this course of action based on the actions of her, her defendant, and his terrorist group.

You know this trash.WHY does that not surprise me???
..meet her at a MoveOn.org rally?

For a now "centrist" former self proclaimed Conservative Republican I find it funny you know one of the formerly most Far Left radical defense attorneys in the US...............now Ramseys all alone...defendign SADDAM HUSSEIN.

Okay, fair enough. Let me digest that for a while.

You referred to her official case, which is good.

I don't subscribe to Ramsey by the way, but I'm concerned about Lynne.

I feel for her, believe me. She's nothing like a Cindy Sheehan or anything (although, I might feel for the latter too).

Just because I'm a 'Con, doesn't mean I'm without sensitivities.

I'm going to read what you just wrote, and then try to get back to you. It's all good, I definitely appreciate your effort on this one.

It would probably take me too long to enlighten you on Lynne, but I'm going to read what you've posted and carefully consider it.

Thank you. Good job. Good research.

f100supersabr · #7 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 03:18 AM

She knowingly broke a serious law and ahe is a lawyer so there is no excuse.

HANG HER HIGH !!!!!!!

nonsqtr · #8 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 04:00 AM

Very well. This case may bear some deeper investigation though.

There's all kinds of rhetoric flying around this one.

Lynne's been disbarred and sent to jail, which is pretty severe for a 67-year--old cancer-ridden woman.

And this was the judge's opinion:

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Originally Posted by "newsday.com

Although the judge called the crimes "extraordinarily severe criminal conduct," he cited more than three decades of dedication by Stewart to poor, disadvantaged and unpopular clients that had left her destitute even though she once worked on more than 70 cases at a time.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork

On the other hand, the judge admitted that her personal behavior had "no material consequences", however her co-defendant's did, he got 24 years.

This is a very bad case, I'll grant that - I'm not entirely certain that Lynne is the guilty one here. Even though, she's been tried and convicted, so that's that. The person who actually committed the "heinous violation" though, appears to be this other character Mohammed Yousry, who is neither a Muslim nor a terrorist, merely a translator (and a US citizen).

Hmm... so, okay, we strung them up. All right. Score one for the Bushies. I only wish they could figure out the even more heinous crimes that are going on right under our noses on our Southern Border (to which I travel on a regular basis).

There are probably ten thousand Mohammed's named "Jose", and Bushie isn't getting any of them. However he decided to make a federal case out of a 67-year-old woman with cancer who's pretty friendly when it comes right down to it.

Hmmm..... Okay. Point taken. Hopefully you'll take mine too.

f100supersabr · #9 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 08:57 AM

nonsqtr says [quote]Lynne's been disbarred and sent to jail, which is pretty severe for a 67-year--old cancer-ridden woman.

And this was the judge's opinion:

Quote:

Originally Posted by "newsday.com

Although the judge called the crimes "extraordinarily severe criminal conduct," he cited more than three decades of dedication by Stewart to poor, disadvantaged and unpopular clients that had left her destitute even though she once worked on more than 70 cases at a time.

The sentance for a crime is not supposed to be based upon the medical condition or the past 'good works ' by the convicted criminal it should be based upon the crime commited and what is the prevailing punishment for that type of crime.

She knowningly committed a crime and she should be punished for that.

EOS

Righty · #10 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006, 10:00 AM

Democrat traitors have friends in high places.

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