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Old 10-21-2006, 10:31 PM
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Excerpt from Excite.com news
Oct 21, 2:31 AM (ET)

By NANCY BENAC
WASHINGTON (AP)

In Pennsylvania, four-term Republican Rep. Don Sherwood is running for his political life after revelations that he had a five-year extramarital affair, and that he settled a lawsuit claiming he had choked the woman. He denies the choking part.

White House spokesman Tony Snow was left to explain why President Bush had agreed to campaign on behalf of a confessed adulterer. Bush "believes that we're all sinners, we all seek forgiveness, and in this particular case, he's supporting Don Sherwood's candidacy," the spokesman gamely offered.

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More hypocracy, gasp!
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Old 10-21-2006, 10:44 PM
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Excerpt from Excite.com news
Oct 21, 2:31 AM (ET)

By NANCY BENAC
WASHINGTON (AP)

In Pennsylvania, four-term Republican Rep. Don Sherwood is running for his political life after revelations that he had a five-year extramarital affair, and that he settled a lawsuit claiming he had choked the woman. He denies the choking part.

White House spokesman Tony Snow was left to explain why President Bush had agreed to campaign on behalf of a confessed adulterer. Bush "believes that we're all sinners, we all seek forgiveness, and in this particular case, he's supporting Don Sherwood's candidacy," the spokesman gamely offered.

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In addition to yanking things, you clearly yanked yourself out of the mainstream if you deny the possibility that good people do make mistakes for which forgiveness is sought. Bubba, for example, getting all that sympathy from Je$$e when Bre'er Jackson brought his pregnant mistress to the White House, during that spiritual counseling following L'Affair Le Heiffer.
Forgive, Dems tell us. Forgive those sins of the flesh.

Gary Condit. Shandra Levy dead. Teddy Tubbaguts. Mary Jo Kopechne dead.

Honorable mention to Vince Foster and Web Hubbel. Oops. Must have been a typo somewhere, how'd they get remembered but two pathologists saying Ron Brown was shot were clearly unbelievable in Dems' eyes?

Hypocrisy? You get just the bottom nine-tenths of the iceberg, with a Dem.

Forgive those sins of the flesh, and do forget those heiffers.

Uh huh. Sure we'll forget.
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:39 AM
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Well, Pennsylvania seems to be a clearinghouse for the "family values" game. Viz our good Senator Santorum (who's about to lose his seat), who's one of the biggest hypocrites in the entire political game. He'll write a book about "family values" at the same time creating one of the most evil political lobbying structures in US history.

The funny thing is, the "family values" that are coming out of Pennsylvania, are resonating the most in the heartland. The Bible Belt only gets the "news" from people like Ralph Reed, who's now under investigation for his role in the Abramoff scandal.

This kind of hypocrisy is just pathetic. Tugging on family heartstrings for political purposes, and then abusing that trust by turning it into personal and political profit.

I'd say it's all too transparent what's going on here, wouldn't you?
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There are those who do not live up to their word. Many, for example, claim to be in favor of equality, so long as they get special preference; while others profess their religious convictions and yet are loath to practice what they preach; and still others shout and cheer support for their homeland, but let others march off to war. Theirs is a false ideology, morality and loyalty. They are not conservatives, they are not Christians, they are not patriots - they are hypocrites.
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There are those who do not live up to their word. Many, for example, claim to be in favor of equality, so long as they get special preference; while others profess their religious convictions and yet are loath to practice what they preach; and still others shout and cheer support for their homeland, but let others march off to war. Theirs is a false ideology, morality and loyalty. They are not conservatives, they are not Christians, they are not patriots - they are hypocrites.
And it applies to both major parties in the U.S. And what's truly sad (IMO) is that it will not end anytime soon. As long as both parties have their legions of blind followers, why should it end?

One of the few (useful) lessons I learned while taking a handful of Sociology courses in college: those in power will do that which is necessary to retain the greatest amount of power.

This board likely represents people who actually give some amount of thought to their beliefs, and give some amount of (admittedly limited) thought to their votes. My guess is that this board represents something above average, compared to those who wander & stumble to the voting booths every few Novembers. So look at the partisan cheerleading that goes on here. I won't say this board represents the best of the best, but I think it's far from the worst of the worst. And even here, what hope is there that any move will take place where the cheerleaders will remove their home team jerseys and DEMAND better from either party? Basically none, right? When caught doing wrong, it all comes down to which jersey the offender happens to be wearing. What most demand is that elected officials not get caught (especially around election time), not that they not commit wrongs.

I'll believe there is hope when I see more people abandoning the two parties, and demonstrating a willingness to accept independent voting tendencies. Neither party should be able to "bank on" getting a vote. But to be honest, I think most people are more content to remain sheep to the party bosses. Like dumb animals, fearful of unknown sounds in the brush... they believe there is safety in numbers. And those beliefs open them up to being taken advantage of. We have the government that we have asked for. We have the government that we have ALLOWED to run corrupt.
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For those who live in a democracy, they should look first to themselves as responsible for their institutions of government. Ours is a democratic republic - a representative form of government - and if you will not stand for elected office and serve, then get out and campaign for one who will serve the public interest. The least one can do is cast an informed vote, for what value is the franchise but its exercise? Indeed, it is a fundamental failure of democratic principle when elections are determined by apathy and ignorance. Moreover, we must make our representatives accountable under the law. We Americans are a nation of laws and not men. But the law can be both used and abused by men; and so it is the duty and responsibility of every citizen to oversee those who make and enforce the laws and administer justice, lest our democratic institutions be made a tyranny over us. It is fitting that, in a democracy, the people should have the government they deserve.
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Excerpt from Excite.com news
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By NANCY BENAC
WASHINGTON (AP)

In Pennsylvania, four-term Republican Rep. Don Sherwood is running for his political life after revelations that he had a five-year extramarital affair, and that he settled a lawsuit claiming he had choked the woman. He denies the choking part.

White House spokesman Tony Snow was left to explain why President Bush had agreed to campaign on behalf of a confessed adulterer. Bush "believes that we're all sinners, we all seek forgiveness, and in this particular case, he's supporting Don Sherwood's candidacy," the spokesman gamely offered.

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So are you advocating that anyone that has had an affair should never be forgiven and not allowed to run for any office ever again?
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""believes that we're all sinners, we all seek forgiveness, and in this particular case"

so, "in this PARTICULAR case?"

hmmmm, he put it aside for politics - in this PARTICULAR case.

Snow sure does have a wierd way with words - maybe he's still stuck on "naughty" emails to undergae kids.....
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What I take from this thread are that most of our politicians epitomize how not to conduct oneself--both past and present politicians included.
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Old 10-22-2006, 06:23 PM
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What I take from this thread are that most of our politicians epitomize how not to conduct oneself--both past and present politicians included.

Maybe. I would say politicians tipify people in general, although it seems a bit more obvious when they are put in the glare of the political spot-light. Some go in with noble intentions but get caught up in the Washington life. Others are able to stick to their convictions.

To suggest Bush not campaign for someone because they have had an affair in their past seems pretty ludicrous though. And then to call the Bush administration hypocrites because they forgive? Seems like a strange argument to me.
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