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Old 10-25-2006, 02:12 AM
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Default Is this fair???

I know you feel the need for security. I know you have to protect yourselves and your people. But his is getting really bad. Most South Africans know this person mentioned in the article below. He is agood man, known all over the world, and a great critic of terrorism. Why throw him out? Why give him a visa and then revoke it when he arrives? Why not give any reasons? On the radion here this morning, the Us Ambasador said that he does not haveto give the reasons this man was refused entry.

This, I am sorry to say, is going to far





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25/10/2006 09:00 - (SA)


Cape Town - One of South Africa's most respected anti-corruption campaigners and political analysts said on Tuesday that US authorities deported him under armed escort over the weekend after he arrived in New York for a series of meetings with organisations including the World Bank.

Adam Habib, executive director of the government-funded Human Science Research Council's programme on democracy and governance, said he was held for several hours after he arrived early on Saturday and then was questioned about possible links to terror organisations.

He said he then was informed his visa had been revoked and was escorted to a Johannesburg-bound plane under armed escort. No explanation was given.

'Nothing to hide'

"I am completely puzzled," said Habib, who is well-known in South Africa as an outspoken political commentator who frequently denounces intolerance and terrorism. He also was an anti-apartheid campaigner before white rule was toppled with all-race elections in 1994.

The research council sent a letter to the US embassy in Pretoria asking for an explanation and asked the South African foreign ministry to intervene.

"We want to know what's up," Habib told The Associated Press.

Spokesperson for US Customs and Border Protection in New York and Washington, DC, confirmed that Habib had been refused entry to the United States after arriving at John F Kennedy International Airport. The US Department of State acknowledged that it had revoked Habib's visa but declined to say why.

Habib, a fairly regular traveller to the United States, was part of a delegation on a tour to meet organisations including the National Institutes for Health, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Bank, Columbia University and the Gates Foundation. The Human Sciences Research Council conducts research into development, poverty alleviation and good governance.

Habib said he had never previously had problems when visiting the United States.

He said he had agreed to a voluntary interview - "because I have nothing to hide" - to answer questions about whether he belonged to or gave funding to any organisation deemed terrorist by the US government.

"Then immediately they said I am being deported, and I was sent with armed escorts to the plane," said Habib, an author and college professor of Indian descent who joined the council in 2004. The rest of the delegation continued with its schedule, he said.

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Old 10-25-2006, 07:06 AM
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Default Yes it is fair

He does not have an automatic right to enter our country. We are not obligated to give reasons why. It may be he is associated with terrorists. By revealing all of our reasons we know we may tip off terrorists to things that we don't want them to know or how we are obtaining some of our knowledge. Much of this is classified. Keeping him out seems pretty reasonable to me.
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Jafar Panahi, celebrated Iranian film director was held like a criminal and deported as he was (wait for it!) on his way to receive the 'Freedom of Expression Award' from The National Board of Review of Motion Pictures for his film, 'The Circle'.

Of course, Kiarostami had already suffered the same treatment. Not big on cultural exchanges, are they, these 'free speechers'?
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Nawbut, I waited for it and it certainly was worth while: The Freedom of Expression award!

Bush had driven America into the world of George Orwell's 1984.

Democrats warned and Republicans s(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed and snided but it has started to happen -- the laws meant to stop terrorism are now being used to suppress freedom.

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Old 10-25-2006, 08:49 AM
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Should we even be letting in people from terrorist countries? Are liberals weak on Visa security too?
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Should we even be letting in people from terrorist countries?
And we shouldn't stop there, either. We ought to be rounding up every last Syrian, Iranian, Afgani, Iraqi, and North Korean American we can find and throw them all into concentration camps. And that's not enough, either. We have to declare Bush dictator for life, strip ourselves of all our dangerous civil liberties, and let Bush take complete control of our entire lives. Then we have to keep ourselves in a constant of warfare, because as the old saying goes, "War is Peace."


Anyway, I find it completely bizarre that such a man who is associated with so many humanitary organizations would be deported. Perhaps it was a fluke, a case of mistaken identity by an inexperienced officer, I don't know. For all any of us know, maybe he really was involved with some terrorist organization. It's a crazy world we're in right now, and without more information on this particular matter, I can neither condemn nor praise the US for this action.
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Nawbut, I waited for it and it certainly was worth while: The Freedom of Expression award!

Bush had driven America into the world of George Orwell's 1984.

Democrats warned and Republicans s(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed and snided but it has started to happen -- the laws meant to stop terrorism are now being used to suppress freedom.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Lord Acton's axiom sure sounds great coming out of Dems, until you realize how brutally the Dems suppress free speech on college campuses, with insidious Politically Correct nonsense.

Look here in this forum. If it's immoral, unforgivable, and offensively wrong---Dems support it. And then they also try to silence those with whom they disagree. Murder your kid? We'll send a taxi to get you there faster---across state lines and without parental permission. Parents have no rights---just ask the scummunist left.

Odd, isn't it, how many Dems remained silent when I wanted to silence the racists here. It was the non-racists who argued the most about my attempt at censorship.

I tried it the Dem way and it failed. I was absolutely not surprised.

Dems control higher education---their single greatest and most catastrophic failure. If your kid can't read or write---thank the Dem teacher who passed him on rather than actually teach him.

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I'm sure the authorities here that revoked his visa and escorted him out know more than you do. You say----everyone in your country likes him. But that doesn't mean they know everything about him.

Occassionally someone will commit a horrendous crime and his family will say, "He was a good family man; everybody liked him." Point being......even one's family can often be fooled. The authorities have a reason or else they wouldn't have done it.
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Now you see the harm in overclassification.
Who knows what the reason is. Most likely it's a mistake. But it might not be... or it might have a purpose that's utterly ridiculous.
We can't know and chances are no one will even look into it... because it's all secret.
When an administration has a track record of classifying EVERYTHING, even getting caught on occasion classifying some really petty things, when funny things happen people get suspicious.
Who knows whether they have a good reason, a 1984ish reason, or (what I think most likely) a stupid bureaucratic mistake reason?
The point is when EVERYTHING is secret it makes us all suspicious. It endangers the very legitimacy of government.
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Should we even be letting in people from terrorist countries?
And we shouldn't stop there, either. We ought to be rounding up every last Syrian, Iranian, Afgani, Iraqi, and North Korean American we can find and throw them all into concentration camps. And that's not enough, either. We have to declare Bush dictator for life, strip ourselves of all our dangerous civil liberties, and let Bush take complete control of our entire lives. Then we have to keep ourselves in a constant of warfare, because as the old saying goes, "War is Peace."


Anyway, I find it completely bizarre that such a man who is associated with so many humanitary organizations would be deported. Perhaps it was a fluke, a case of mistaken identity by an inexperienced officer, I don't know. For all any of us know, maybe he really was involved with some terrorist organization. It's a crazy world we're in right now, and without more information on this particular matter, I can neither condemn nor praise the US for this action.
I appreciate that you don't condemn the authorities and the Bush administration for this and that you don't want to stone everyone indiscriminately. I just think it is a legitimate question whether we should be letting in persons from countries who openly support terrorism when we are at war with terrorism. Of course this would not appy if they were fugitives from those countries.

Entering our country is not a right but a privilege. Is it sensible to be letting all these people into our country from countries who hate us, support terrorism and would like to see us go up in a mushroom cloud? Does this question really sound that radical to you?
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