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Old 10-30-2006, 03:13 PM
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Default Ethnic pride = happiness and health, says study

Ethnic pride can help teenagers maintain happiness when faced with stress, a Wake Forest University study showed.

Teens with positive feelings about their ethnic group said they were happier than those who have a more negative attitude about their ethnicity, Wake Forest University said.

"Adolescents with a high ethnic regard maintained a generally positive and happy attitude in the face of daily stressors and despite their anxious feelings," said Lisa Kiang, lead author of the study.

Based on the study's results, researchers said parents should encourage strong ethnic identity within their families.

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Old 10-30-2006, 03:37 PM
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So do you think it would be good for whites also to show ethnic pride?
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That could be construed as self-confidence in general. If someone feels bad about their ethnicity they will feel bad. Hmm it takes scientists to figure this out? White isn't really an ethnicity it is a blanket term for a bunch of European races. I don't know what "high regard" is supposed to mean? Are they trying to say racially pure? Most Americans seem mixed (this is my guess not supported by evidence, dont feel like it). I know that many blacks are partially white from the slave days, and many whites are mixed with native-americans. Usually "white" people in America are a mix of ethnicities that didn't used to be considered white. 100 years ago an Englishmen most likely wouldnt have considered an Irishman or an Italian "white"...Soooo what's the point?
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Many whites are of a mixed European decent. Very few are not a mix as you have suggested. Are mixed to be left out of this feel good concept. If we are celebrating ethnicities and not skin colors then things like black history month would not fit into this schema?

So how are we supposed to implement this plan? Would any of this lead to further polarizing people instead of bringing us together?
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I guess we can just form new ethnicities. Thats what started all this in the first place. Too bad we probably need to wait a couple thousand years to be considered legit

"Blackness" itself, like "Whiteness" is a modern creation. When the slaves were taken from Africa they often fought amongst one another as different tribes. They didn't recognize themselves as Blacks or even as Africans, they recognized themselves as a tribe.The slave owners would exploit this and use them to fight amongst one another so they wouldn't rebel.
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Black History month in itself is racist. It suggests that blacks shouldn't be included in regular history, or that they are doing something despite their race.
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Black History month in itself is racist. It suggests that blacks shouldn't be included in regular history, or that they are doing something despite their race.
It does seem a bit patronizing - see blacks did things in history too, when it is set aside like that. Seems like there are more black than white successful musicians and yet they have the black music awards and black music hall of fame. Could you imagine if they had white music awards?
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Yes it is the same thing with Black Student Organizations etc etc...I have asked Black people about what you mentioned things especially for blacks, and they usually say that most media is white dominated with very little positive Black characters. There are a few stations, but if you turn on ABS, CBS or NBC generally the shows are all about suburban whites, or inner-city whites. So black people create their own organizations and events because otherwise they probably wouldn't be recognized. I am not saying it isn't one-sided, but in a way white people do have their own white music awards, they are called country music awards.
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Any kind of pride will have that effect.
Ethnic pride is primarily well-suited for minority groups as it is a form of solidarity and something to keep them going through adversity from the majority (considering that the alternative is to feel crappy about yourself while majority belittles you in school). A friend of mine who's white has Irish pride, which I see as silly.
But how happy and well-adjusted do you think young neo-nazis and KKK folk feel? They tend to be posterkids for low self-esteem. Why? Because typically when people have white pride it is the result of first making one's self into a "persecuted" minority. You must first feel that there is adversity toward your race. For a white person to think that indicates something is wrong in that person's life.
White people are generic. That's the thing with being a majority. IMO you have to be a pessimist or a fool to see ethnic or racial pride as a good alternative to having self-pride which is natural to a "generic" human being.
But we look at quantity not quality. It's easier to have racial or ethnic pride than to have self-pride because it makes your own failures and flaws IRRELEVANT. It gives a feeling of hope to those of us who would be tempted to give up after failure. But if you have a high enough level of self-pride, family pride, or even human pride, you'll endure anyway.
But put this into perspective of minority. Say you're black and live in a bad neighborhood. You are brought up to believe either through tale or personal experience that you are going to be looked down upon for your race. You can take it one of two ways... Either that it's your handicap and you do whatever it takes to get you by... usually a defensive position and inherently pessimistic... or you decide you will not let "your people" down... a mentality that is nurturing of positive action and perseverence.
Compare to "white pride" types... neo-nazis and the ilk... they love playing victim. They resemble more the persecuted minority... despite being racially and ethnically in the majority.

Pride in general is good. I just view racial pride as a capped asset. It is better to have self-pride or family pride... being optimistic and persevering to never let yourself or your family down... This is default for a positive-thinking white male.

I think the difference comes down to an optimist-pessimist thing.
And we already know how that works.
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