Georgia display divides veterans’ names by race - Page 5

DuH2 · #41 (**permalink**) 11-13-2006, 06:57 PM

Yeah that you're clearly a Troll.

LoSconosciuto · #42 (**permalink**) 11-13-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

And in those days (early 20th century), the KKK was not a violent organization. It was pretty much simply a fraternal organization. It wasn't until the 50's when the Knights of the KKK splintered away from the original KKK that the KKK went violent.

Just the good ol' boys never meaning no harm
Beats all you never saw. Been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born

Hmm, wonder who those guys were who lynched the Black guy in my county in the early 30's? They claimed to be Klansmen. They lynched the guy, wore dunce hats and even burned a cross near the fellow's house after they murdered him. Must have been space aliens or something that did that. Odd thing is, the guy who planned the killing, his daughter-in-law was my elementary school math teacher. She claimed he was a Klucker. She said his conscience is what drove him to commit suicide a few years later.

Fife, try to sell that load to someone who doesn't know any better. These weren't choir boys in the 1860's and they didn't just turn violent in the 1950's. The first iteration terrorized and murdered people. The Stone Mountain second iteration did the same, before they fell on hard times. The acts of terror and violence that followed into the civil rights era can be DIRECTLY linked to the spirit of the original group. There had always been splinter groups and loose associations. Forrest didn't sanction each activity, and didn't have firm control over each of the local dens, anymore than Osama has firm control over each of the cells of Al Qaeda. It's been said that one reason that Forrest stepped down was because the violent nature of the organization was getting out of control... or at least past what he was comfortable with.But once you make a deal with the Devil, it's hard to step back from it.

kaladrew · #43 (**permalink**) 11-13-2006, 09:29 PM

separates the racists from the rest.

these guys are cliches.

Righty/Eup has some company.

LoSconosciuto · #44 (**permalink**) 11-13-2006, 09:36 PM

Sooner than later, one of them will explain how the Jewish Holocaust never happened... or really wasn't as bad as historians (and facts) claim.

But that's why I so enjoy this board: it takes all kinds...

gadzooks · #45 (**permalink**) 11-13-2006, 11:44 PM

I don't consider this a racist act :

Now about racism:
Get this through your head. As much as you people carp about it there will always be racism. Always has been, always will be. White ,black,yellow,red, all would rather be with their own kind. Stop using it for your own benefits.

The "one world " theory will never happen.

If the people of that town want that historic plaque where it is then who am i to tell them what to do .You can't please everybody,and on this site , you can't please anybody.

My pottery barn rule is MYOFB !!

superbadbrutha · #46 (**permalink**) 11-14-2006, 04:05 AM

Barney said that it was a Renegade Arm of the Klan that turned violent back in the 50s.

Well when Reconstruction ended in 1877 and federal troops withdrew from the South, turning state government over to racist white Democratic majorities an era of brutal suppression of black people began. Lynchings were one of the most widespread forms of lawless intimidation. In 1872 at least 12 black people were lynched in the South. 20 years later, in 1892 there were 255 black victims known to be lynched, and they were often tortured in the process. According to reports within a 35 year period, no fewer than 3200 black men and women were lynched, many involving burnings and mutilations. I could be wrong, but who does that sound like too you.

Think you better go back and study your Klan history again, Barney.

Peace.

superbadbrutha · #47 (**permalink**) 11-14-2006, 04:14 AM

Barney said that it was a Renegade Arm of the Klan that turned violent back in the 50s.

Well when Reconstruction ended in 1877 and federal troops withdrew from the South, turning state government over to racist white Democratic majorities an era of brutal suppression of black people began. Lynchings were one of the most widespread forms of lawless intimidation. In 1872 at least 12 black people were lynched in the South. 20 years later, in 1892 there were 255 black victims known to be lynched, and they were often tortured in the process. According to reports within a 35 year period, no fewer than 3200 black men and women were lynched, many involving burnings and mutilations. I could be wrong, but who does that sound like too you.

Think you better go back and study your Klan history again, Barney.

Peace.

Doctiloquus · #48 (**permalink**) 11-14-2006, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gadzooks";p=&quot

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Get this through your head. As much as you people carp about it there will always be racism. Always has been, always will be. White ,black,yellow,red, all would rather be with their own kind.

True, but not all of them chose to limit the similarities between themselves and the company they keep to just physical characteristics. Most people use more criteria than just skin colour to define who is 'their own kind'. Your narrow world-view is not universal.

As for this plaque, any potential benefits it may hold can be utilised in a museum, just like any other relic from the past.

exigent · #49 (**permalink**) 11-14-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by barney-fife";p=&quot

The relative in the KKK was my mom's grandfather. He was not related to my dad. He was my great grandfather. And he wasn't with the Dallas PD, he was a building inspector. And in those days (early 20th century), the KKK was not a violent organization. It was pretty much simply a fraternal organization. It wasn't until the 50's when the Knights of the KKK splintered away from the original KKK that the KKK went violent.

The Knights of the KKK splintered away from the KKK because they thought the KKK was too soft on segregation and unwilling to enforce segregation. The violence attributed to the KKK is misdirected. Rather, it should rightly be attributed to the Knights of the KKK, a renegade group separate and apart from the KKK. The original KKK went under when it lost a civil lawsuit and was unable to make restitution.

Houston integrated quite quickly and non-violently in the early '60's. A sit-in at the downtown Walgreen's lunch counter had been planned, City leaders met over the weekend, convinced Walgreen's to integrate their lunch counter, the sit-in was cancelled, and Houston quickly integrated. There are two racial riots in the city's history. The first involved black soldiers at a WWI training base (Camp Logan, now Memorial Park), who left camp on leave one night, got liquored up and raped a white woman. They were hanged, a curfew was ordered, and some blacks broke the curfew and were shot, which angered more blacks. I believe less than 20 persons were killed, and the "riot" was over in a few days. The second took place in the mid '60's, at TSU, and basically only involved students throwing things out of their dorm windows at police. I believe a shot or two were fired, but no one was injured or killed. Race relations in Houston have a long history of being very good, both in times of segregation, in times of integration and post integration days.

Is that what your really believe?

The second KKK (1915) typically preached racism, anti-Catholicism, anti-Communism, nativism, and anti-Semitism, and some local groups took part in lynchings and other violent activities. Its popularity fell during the Great Depression, and membership fell further during World War II, due to scandals resulting from prominent members' crimes and its support of the Nazis.

The KKK in its heyday was a terrorist organization.

barney-fife · #50 (**permalink**) 11-14-2006, 11:28 AM

Well, at least we're making some progress in correcting some common mistakes about the Klan. There were essentially three Klans in US history. The first phase, founded under Bedford Forrest, lasted only a few years, and was somewhat violent. The second phase began in 1915, after the movie Birth of a Nation debuted, was largely fraternal in nature, and used as a means of exercising political influence. This phase of the Klan was largely non-violent, and the majority of its membership was in Midwestern States. In Indiana, 30% of all white men were members of the Klan in 1920. http://www.centerforhistory.org/indi...ory_main7.html WWI led to heightened membership in the Klan, and its membership peaked around 1920. Scandal in the Klan's leadership and the inability to make restitution in a civil lawsuit led to the end in this phase of the Klan's history in 1930 or so.

The Klan pretty much faded away into obscurity until 1960, when the White Knights of the KKK were formed in Mississippi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_K...e_Ku_Klux_Klan This branch of the KKK was far and away the most violent and militant branch of the KKK. But again, it was separate and apart from both the original KKK and the early 20th century phase of the KKK.

All of this is well chronicled in the History Channel's study of the KKK they run every so often.

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