I don't understand why all this hub-bub about affirmative action can't be just about poverty. How about people who are poor get extra points when applying to college because its an achievment to study and work hard through poverty to get into college. That should count, not one's blackness. Does a black get more points if his or her name is Tyrone or Shaniqua?

It's a point well made.

It reminds me of another Republican group on a campus near me where they were selling cookies and charging blacks and hispanics a quarter for a little bag of cookies; but charging white students $1 for the same size bag of cookies. It was also a protest to make a point. They actually had blacks and minorities saying, "This isn't fair."

Yeah, that's right. It isn't "fair."

Great way to make a point.

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See, I agree with most of it. This line is the one I disagree with.
It isn't.
It glosses over the entire argument for why affirmative action exists. And frankly I find it slightly disingenuous since I've never known Republicans to advocate economic-based aid for school- unless as an alternative to affirmative action.

This kind of tactic evades discussion in the same way people claim PC does.

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And I do not need to know.

Java---you don't eliminate discrimination by discriminating against a different group. What you do is to make the system "fair." You make it equal. And the best way to do that is to base the requirements on things other than one's race. Like need, aptitude, intelligence and achievement.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

No it doesn't, Java. As I pointed out, disadvantaged kids were not the recipients of the scholarships. This is what happens when schools try to make some kind of quota. They end up fighting over privileged non-white kids.

I guess I don't follow you. A black friend of mine and I had equal GPAs to within 3 decimals. I don't know if the scholarship she got was a minority scholarship or economic-based or both. She very poor though and I didn't begrudge her at all. She worked for it and earned it herself. The thought that she might not have won it had she been white is disgusting. I knew a long time ago that the only real chance my kids had at a large scholarship was if they made valedictorian or salutatorian.

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"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~Ronald Reagan

these students have made one heck of a point to a very wide audience.

one comment within our forumactually, this causes one to wonder if assistance should be based on economic circumstance, without respect to race. certainly, there will be a disproportionate number of recipients of assistance from the African-American and Hispanic populations, but individuals previously excluded due to their race would not face exclusion as a potential recipient if race was taken out of the equation.

by not excluding a large population based on race, more people can buy into the concept of affirmative action based on economic condition.

nice parody young republicans ... hope you inspire your elders within the party to 'amend, not end, affirmative action' (Clinton's mantra by the way)

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Frank Zappa

I concur with the statement of allowing for economic validation critria to get a child some financial aid.
I am against giving it to one group or another because we all know that not the real underpriviledged black kid from the bronx or wherever gets it but the articulate black kid that lives in the burbs with the white kids because he produces a higher quality paper why he is deserving or how it will improve his life yadie yadie.
I am against giving in-state tuition to illegals as they broke the law and ought not be rewarded with my tax dollars. If you are illegal, you should have no way in other than to get a international student visa and pay up and then they can compete for the same 2 low reward scholarships available for international students.

Last but not least, I am happy to see that there is a consensus that race based scholarships are reverse racism and therefore should not be tollerated, in the same way as blatant racism should not be tollerated.

Further more it is impressive how a bunch of young college repubs made a nationwide statement with very little effort or money. It stands to hope that the old guard learned something from it.

White people's ancestors worked and fought hard, so their decendents would live more comfortably. Crapholes like yourself are stealing their efforts, thieves.

"Power to the Mulatos, and Octarooooons." Mad TV.

"It isn't fair," is how Hitler rose to power.

Affirmative Action is great, its indefinately regenerates racial tensions. Who's a quota black? We got any barely qualified quota blacks on this board? Raise your hand if you are a quota-black. Poor black you.