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Old 12-05-2006, 12:15 PM
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"The student's intention is not to construct a historically accurate depiction of the manger scene. "

couldn't have said it better myself

Well great, you me and the students are now all in agreement then.
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Default I recall that the ACLU "defended" the Nazi's right to march

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You mean the Nazis. Yeah, I think they already defended them.
I recall that the ACLU "defended" the Nazi's right to march as aform of 'free speech".. That is not the same thing as "defending Nazi's.
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You mean the Nazis. Yeah, I think they already defended them.
I recall that the ACLU "defended" the Nazi's right to march as aform of 'free speech".. That is not the same thing as "defending Nazi's.
I know. It's the same thing with NAMBLA. My purpose was to rebutt 12th asking if the ACLU would defend the speech a group that had legalization of murder as part of its platform. I believe the Nazis have always had something that amounts to murder in their platform.
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Old 12-06-2006, 03:36 PM
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Manuals providing instruction on how to molest children is more than a thought crime. You can't yell fire in a theatre because it endangers the public...so does this.
According to your take, YOU would have just broken the law, because you just told me, and anybody else with internet access, how to incite panic in a theater. Your take is a stone's throw from all sources of information on human physiology being illegal, as they can provide a person with the necessary information to commit murder.
I didn't provide step by step instructions. And we are talking about civil liability not law.
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Would the ACLU defend the free speech rights of white supremists who advocate legalization of the murder of non-whites?
Of course.
The ACLU and the Supreme Court recognize the difference between advocating for illegal action and carrying our illegal action. The digest I submitted makes this clear.

they also say it doesn't mean you aren't liable for a civil suit. Slander is not againt the law, however you are still liable for civil action. Cigarettes are legal, their production results in civil liability. Where was the ACLU in defending the tobacco companies? Too busy supporting child molester's I suppose. The ACLUseless became true long ago.
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they also say it doesn't mean you aren't liable for a civil suit. Slander is not againt the law, however you are still liable for civil action. Cigarettes are legal, their production results in civil liability. Where was the ACLU in defending the tobacco companies? Too busy supporting child molester's I suppose. The ACLUseless became true long ago.
You fail to understand what the ACLU does. I will instruct you and expect you to learn...
The ACLU takes cases that involve constitutional issues. Slander, tobacco litigation do not typically touch on the founding document. The ACLU supports the child molester's right to free speech. It does not support illegal behavior.
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Old 12-07-2006, 11:22 AM
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they also say it doesn't mean you aren't liable for a civil suit. Slander is not againt the law, however you are still liable for civil action. Cigarettes are legal, their production results in civil liability. Where was the ACLU in defending the tobacco companies? Too busy supporting child molester's I suppose. The ACLUseless became true long ago.
You fail to understand what the ACLU does. I will instruct you and expect you to learn...
The ACLU takes cases that involve constitutional issues. Slander, tobacco litigation do not typically touch on the founding document. The ACLU supports the child molester's right to free speech. It does not support illegal behavior.
Got it?

So your interpretation of the constitution is that free speech means exactly that. Only speech. Nothing else. Interesting...maybe as part of your teachings you can explain why the Supreme Court, the Founding Fathers and most others disagree with that assessment? Also, maybe you can also explain why speech has made individuals liable to civil suits in the past? So in the ACLU's quest to "fight for freedom" it has started its fight with chomo's. How noble.
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Default False Premise Results in Foolish Conclusion

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they also say it doesn't mean you aren't liable for a civil suit. Slander is not againt the law, however you are still liable for civil action. Cigarettes are legal, their production results in civil liability. Where was the ACLU in defending the tobacco companies? Too busy supporting child molester's I suppose. The ACLUseless became true long ago.
You fail to understand what the ACLU does. I will instruct you and expect you to learn...
The ACLU takes cases that involve constitutional issues. Slander, tobacco litigation do not typically touch on the founding document. The ACLU supports the child molester's right to free speech. It does not support illegal behavior.
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So your interpretation of the constitution is that free speech means exactly that. Only speech. Nothing else. Interesting
Incorrect.
I generally hold with the current opinions of the SCOTUS regarding what constitutes free speech. This includes symbolic speech [as in flag burning] and artistic speech. The resulting assumptions you made become dross.

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Default No false premise

Smoking is protected by the first ammendment yet those who do it still are able to sue the manufacturers of it. Additionally, the constitution protects free speech. Yet slander is not free speech? So you mean there are limits to what is defined as free? Such as, for example, if I provided someone with accounting advice that broke the law I could be sued? Or if I hosted a website that suggested the best franchises to buy and provided no disclaimers I could be sued? How interesting...and analogous.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.
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