What some people are missing is this: Wars are NOT fought in a sterile, laboratory environment where everything is in a nice, neat little precise package. The details cannot all be planned out BEFORE the war is fought because the dynamics change. One of our MAIN goals was to liberate 50 million people from the grip of Saddam Hussein. AND WE'VE DONE THAT! Not too many Presidents and Secretary of States who can say they liberated 50 million people. What happens after that is very much up to the Iraqi's. We'll stay and help them as we've promised----but the ultimate survival of THEIR country and what it ends up being is up to them.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

I remember Dennis Miller appearing on the Tonight Show before the war began. He joked about those protesting the war being unemployed, uneducated and lazy and then expressed dire concern about Saddam handing his WMD off to al Qaeda. Interestingly enough, Dennis Miller still supports Bush and the decision to go to war more than ever.

Our local Fox station ran a story that depicted those against the invasion as being uneducated Hollywood types and then ran through a list of some who didn't have a high school diploma or had a GED. The MSM was so pro-war in 2003 it was sickening.

Fox News did their normal thing of only allowing inarticulate rambling liberals to express their point of view.

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"You have shown what history teaches us - that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington."

- Barack Obama, 8/28/08

That is the leftist spin even though our military personnel have yet to lose even a single conflict they have engaged in.

I know wars are dirty. This war should never have happened. That being said all contengincies should have been considered and prepared for. We invaded Iraq with no planning. No exit strategy, no uprising strategy. Are you telling me that noone in DC predicted this insurgency before we invaded?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ce-intel_x.htm

When are you going to stop defending the lives and money lost that were due to the mistakes made by our appointed officials. Is there nothing you would have done differently? Would you have given your info a second thought? Would you hold off until you had a solid strategy to exit peacefully as quick as possible? Would you listen to the advice of those around you who are more educated than you?

Sure we liberated them from Saddam, but Iraq is worse now than it was before we invaded without just cause. I dont think any president would brag about the disaster that they caused in Iraq.

According to the Iraq study group, one of the only ways to restore peace is to negotiate with Iran and Syria. Terrorists/terrorist supporters. Too bad we dont negotiate with terrorists.

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America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top.
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Hmmmm. We haven't lost a battle yet many experts are saying we can't win the war. I wonder why..........

I did!

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except vietnam...and soon to be Iraq.

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America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top.
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Closer to 29 million. Which far right media source did you pull 50 million from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

100,000 per month are fleeing Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061122/ts_nm/iraq_dc

The death toll as a result of our actions is also in the hundreds of thousands. We've liberated them from their bodies. Of course, "liberation" was never a "main goal". That's always been feel-good rhetoric and does not represent reality. On the whole, Iraqis never wanted to be "liberated" and certainly want us gone.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...t=275&lb=hmpg1

Although intricate details can't be planned out with exact precision, the neocons in office have made enormous mistakes in the decisions leading up to the war and at the planning and strategic level. Bush didn't even know the differences between Shia and Sunni. Rumsfeld's interviews show a shocking display of ignorance:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in529569.shtml

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"You have shown what history teaches us - that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington."

- Barack Obama, 8/28/08

Doesnt matter...they know whats best for us and the free world. To install freedom, hundreds of thousands must die. Thats the only way.

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America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top.
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I'm talking about the battles that have taken place in Iraq since our invasion. We have defeated the enemy in every single instance. How can this be a "complete and total failure" when we have won every skirmish. At least give kudos to our military personnel for their excellence in battle.

explain sadr city.

We have the best military in the world and we are getting stopped in our tracks by geurilla operations. With one hundredth the defense budget we have, these terrorists have disabled our military. We are no longer able to influence events in Iraq.

that is a fact.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16068589/

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America is a melting pot, the people at the bottom get burned while all the scum floats to the top.
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