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Old 12-07-2006, 06:16 AM
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It certainly dulls the "only liberals and leftists and homos support this" argument.
I don't think anyone has ever used the word "only" with that argument. There's always exceptions to almost everything. However, it is probably a very, very low number of conservatives who would agree with what Mary Cheney has done.
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Old 12-07-2006, 06:45 AM
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I vote News.

This story really strikes me as driving a stake into the heart of the hypocritical NeoCons who insist on push their anti-gay constitutional amendment, pro-fundamental religion morals, family values, etc., etc. And of all the pious jerks that have zero tolerance for anything but the missionary position, Cheney is at the top of the list. He actively sought that position of sanctimoneous of heart but corrupt of mind while he preached his fundamental religious agenda and at the same time never hesitated to push billions of dollars in government contracts to his corporate buddies or send American boys off to die in Iraq for his conspiracies. Now his daughter got herself knocked up in some relationship that the VP would normally abhor...and we're being asked to show some tolerance.

I'll show tolerance to the daughter, because that is what I believe. But I'll stand on the top of a mountain and yell, "Cheney is a hypocritical S.O.B. with double standards, and no morals at all".

I would love to ask him if he believes being gay is caused by genetic factors or how you are raised? Either way, he hold 50% of the blame!

Are we all going to be tolerant now of Muslim women who cover themselves out of modesty and religious teachings? Come'on, Dick..can an old dog like you learn a new concept that perhaps their are other humans on earth that choose to live a different lifestyle than yours...and that's okay? I am quite sure Cheney has things all rationalized in that narrow pea brain of his.

I hope the child is a boy and they name it Richard Cheney, Jr. not in honor of the Cheney name, but in defiance of a truly worthlessness of his grandfather.
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Mary Cheney's pregnancy is unconscionable. Props for calling it what it is. And it has nothing to do with her being a lesbian. It has everything to do with another child growing up in a Fatherless home. Another child grows up Fatherless. Congratulations. My advice? Get a pet.
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It certainly dulls the "only liberals and leftists and homos support this" argument.
I don't think anyone has ever used the word "only" with that argument. There's always exceptions to almost everything. However, it is probably a very, very low number of conservatives who would agree with what Mary Cheney has done.
Why would anyone care if a political party agrees with their birth of a child?
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Mary Cheney's pregnancy is unconscionable. Props for calling it what it is. And it has nothing to do with her being a lesbian. It has everything to do with another child growing up in a Fatherless home. Another child grows up Fatherless. Congratulations. My advice? Get a pet.
So would you feel the same if there was a strong working woman in a contractual relationship (know it's illegal now, but let's pretend) with Mary Cheney? Or if Mary Cheney worked and had a stay-at-home partner?
If someone fills the niche of the father then I really don't see where there's a complaint. A decent lesbian couple has the potential to do as well as any straight couple.
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:59 AM
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The only person capable of filling the role of being a father is a Father. And by father, I do not mean it in the context of being a sperm donor. I mean it in terms of a man modeling for his children what it looks like to be a real man--a person that sacrifices for his family, looks after and cares for their long-term future, loves, cherishes and honors their mother, is trustworthy and faithful, to name but a few fatherly attributes. And I am sorry, but a man can only model this role.

Study upon study upon study concludes unanimously that children grow up best and succeed in life when they grow up in a two-parent home consisting of a husband and a wife.
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It wouldn't be news if Mary Cheney was just any other lesbian in a relationship having a baby. Happens a lot actually.

But she is the daughter of a very conservative Vice President involved with a White House that opposes gay marriage and gay adoption. Bush and Cheney have both spoken out that they do believe a child needs to be raised is a home by a Father and a Mother and that gay parents are unacceptable. If they truly acted on their conscience (and aren't merely spouting what they know their lunatic hateful social conservatives want to hear), they would insist that every child, whether adopted or created by artificial insemination be removed from a gay household and placed in foster care.

Of course that would make them appear to be monsters and they know that the conservative social base isn't big enough by itself to win elections for the Republican party.

I wish Mary Chaney, her partner and their baby a long and very happy life. Hopeful in two years time, Mary will start to get a semblance of her privacy back.
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The only person capable of filling the role of being a father is a Father. And by father, I do not mean it in the context of being a sperm donor. I mean it in terms of a man modeling for his children what it looks like to be a real man--a person that sacrifices for his family, looks after and cares for their long-term future, loves, cherishes and honors their mother, is trustworthy and faithful, to name but a few fatherly attributes. And I am sorry, but a man can only model this role.

Study upon study upon study concludes unanimously that children grow up best and succeed in life when they grow up in a two-parent home consisting of a husband and a wife.
Studies show that households with a father and mother do better than single-parent households. So long as they have role models that can manage to take care of the kid and show the way to succeed in the world.
Why could a woman not fulfill the father's role? If the lesbians were involved in a contractual and strong relationship and devoted to each other and the child, why would there be a problem?
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But she is the daughter of a very conservative Vice President involved with a White House that opposes gay marriage and gay adoption.
Proof? Everything I have seen points towards George being against gay marriage, Dick as a matter a fact last I knew put forth his support for it but he doesn't talk much about it.

As a matter of fact I found the opposite to be true.

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At a campaign rally in this Mississippi River town, Cheney spoke supportively about gay relationships, saying “freedom means freedom for everyone," when asked about his stand on gay marriage.

“Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it’s an issue our family is very familiar with," Cheney told an audience that included his daughter. “With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone. ... People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.



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Bush and Cheney have both spoken out that they do believe a child needs to be raised is a home by a Father and a Mother and that gay parents are unacceptable.
This has nothing to do with Bush, this has to do with Cheney. Furthermore just because one believes a child would be better to be raised in a home with both a loving mother and a loving father, compared to father-father, mother-mother, doesn't mean they are against gay adoption. I myself believe that the ideal is a loving mother father relationship, I believe it is better then a simple mother-mother, or father-father, but I'm not against gay adoption. Those are two different things.

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If they truly acted on their conscience (and aren't merely spouting what they know their lunatic hateful social conservatives want to hear),
Again this has nothing to do with Bush, how does this affect him at all? At most for Bush its his friend's and VP's gay daughter having a child that really doesn't have allot to do with him. Furthermore where do you get off being so judgmental towards social conservatives? Everyone I have meet who believe against gay adoption are against it because they believe in order for a child to be raised right a child needs the example of a strong father and mother. As far as the Federal Marriage bill its supports tend not to even care if there are laws that give equal rights for gay couples in ever legal manner, they are simply against them using the word marriage. This comes from Religious and Traditional beliefs, and a (I think totally plausible fear) that church's could be sued for not marrying gay couples because it is against the beliefs of the church. Also the real push for a federal amendment didn't start until the courts got involved.

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they would insist that every child, whether adopted or created by artificial insemination be removed from a gay household and placed in foster care.
Where has Cheney (or Bush for that matter) said anything close to that.

Furthermore this truly has absolutely nothing to do with anything its just a circus, a bunch of liberals believe its news worthy that the VP's daughter is gay so they buy papers up that print this stuff out, to get there daily does of gossip. Then they can say... OOOHHH look hypocrites!! When the fact of the matter is Cheney doesn't hold the same position as the president on this issue.
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