You think the solution to advancing an integrated society is to form groups based on race, and that is somehow is going to make us understand more about each other and the issues we address? Please!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh, so you're saying you would support a "Congressional White Causus" which excluded blacks and hispanics?

I don't think so.

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Cohen is the one who was refused admission. He is a Democrat and represents a majority black district. If the CBC's purpose was to promote black causes, Cohen would belong in the caucus - BUT their purpose is merely to exclude people with white skin.

Surely you wouldn't say that exclusion based on skin color and nothing else is acceptable, would you?

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Isn't Obama in the CBC? ...he has a black father and a white mother... So I wonder how black you actually have to be. What if your grandparents are black, but both your parents are white?

The fact that Cohen was denied acceptance because of his skin color is telling. You would think the Congressional Black Caucasus would want members who represent the black community; Cohen’s district not only contains a black community, but blacks have the majority.

Guess they aren’t trying to do good for the black community; only to have a completely black skinned group within the United States government.

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lol. well, if black people and white people were to switch histories and roles, i would.

[quote="DeadCenter";p="334840"]Isn't Obama in the CBC?

Yep.

...he has a black father and a white mother... So I wonder how black you actually have to be.

He is black.

What if your grandparents are black, but both your parents are white?

I know I am alittle slow, but explain this one too me.

The fact that Cohen was denied acceptance because of his skin color is telling. You would think the Congressional Black Caucasus would want members who represent the black community; Cohen’s district not only contains a black community, but blacks have the majority.

So you are saying that Rep. Cohen can represent his district better if he joins the CBC.

Guess they aren’t trying to do good for the black community; only to have a completely black skinned group within the United States government.[/quote]

Hmmmmm, can anyone tell me why the CBC was formed in the beginning.

Peace.

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The purpose of caucuses is to provide a gathering point and support for minorities within a larger group whose views and interests might otherwise be diluted or ignored by the larger group. I'm not talking just race: you could have a female caucus, an opera fan caucus, what have you.

Caucuses, being informal groups, should have the right to include or exclude anyone they want.

A white caucus would be pointless, because the entire Congress is a white caucus. It misunderstands the point of a caucus. That said, Tancredo has every right to form one; he would just be displaying ignorance.

Here's a list of Congressional caucuses. Note that the only common principle is that they represent smaller interest groups within the larger body of Congresscritters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucuse...tates_Congress

So race-based caucuses are fine, in my book. Not all caucuses, of course, are equally deserving of respect.

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Most of those look like they have a specific interest (such as historic preservation) or perhaps geographical interests in common. If the CBC limited members to those with large black constituencies in order to serve the specific interests of blacks, I wouldn't see a problem. The fact that they refuse membership to someone who (other than skin color) rates 100% with them makes the organization racist. The fact that they choose to endorse candidates because of skin color is also racist. Now, if you think racist caucuses are OK, nevermind.

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Tancredo = Pat Buchannon

They will NOT be able to keep him off the podium at the RNC convention.

there is also a Wine Caucus, a Boating Causus, a Rancher Caucus - the list goes on and on. These aren't government sponsored groups nor do they receive public funds - grow up!

I agree wholeheartedly that this would make more sense.
I don't think it's so much racism, in that the organization does not arbitrarily look down on whites. It's an assumption (perhaps wrongheaded) that only blacks can truly sympathize with black community problems... I think they only hurt themselves by not accepting as much idea flow as possible...

I disagree. And feminist orgs that support female candidates are not sexist either. The idea isn't to put in candidates that meet the needs of the people in question, but to increase the morale by showing that minorities can and do get into office... Now what is odd is when they do not help candidates based on political affiliation.
This idea might be outdated, but it has a basis in making the implausible plausible. It isn't meant to be a sign of superiority, but a sign that minorities can make it and by making it into places of power they inspire.
It is a fact that some groups in society lack good role models to combat stereotypes and hopelessness. That is what these are meant to bring about.

It's not that these ideas aren't outdated or even misguided. It's just that believing the agenda to be racism is ignoring their true motivation.

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