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If the CBC limited members to those with large black constituencies in order to serve the specific interests of blacks, I wouldn't see a problem.
But caucuses can either be about advancing specific issues, or about advancing a given group's power within the caucus. If your goal is to emphasize (and increase) the number and power of black representatives by having such representatives hang together, it makes sense to divide things along those lines.

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The fact that they refuse membership to someone who other than skin color rates 100% with them makes the organization racist. The fact that they choose to endorse candidates because of skin color is also racist.
Then you must also think that mentorship programs at large corporations that match up young black managers with senior black managers -- who are scarce enough that if it weren't deliberate such mentorship would never happen -- is racist. Or the same sort of thing for women, who seek senior women as mentors. And maybe it is racist, by a broad definition of the term. But it's also a fact that many people are more comfortable mentoring/being mentored by people similar to themselves, because they often share similar experiences and challenges.

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Now, if you think racist caucuses are OK, nevermind.
I don't have a great deal of respect for the CBC, because they've taken to putting skin color above everything else, including ethics and common sense (note their defense of William Jefferson, or their displeasure at Alcee Hastings being kept off the Intelligence Committee). But I don't have a problem with them existing.
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Now, if you think racist caucuses are OK, nevermind.
I don't have a great deal of respect for the CBC, because they've taken to putting skin color above everything else, including ethics and common sense (note their defense of William Jefferson, or their displeasure at Alcee Hastings being kept off the Intelligence Committee). But I don't have a problem with them existing.
Agree. I don’t think the concept of minority groups forming caucuses is racist. If there are specific issues that they want to address within their community, they should be able to form constructive organizations and implement ideas among their representatives. In this case, Cohen is a valid candidate; he represents a district with blacks being in the vast majority.

To not accept him solely because of his skin color is the definition of racism.
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Congressmen can form any groups they want to. That they form one based on race, instead of organized around a certain principle, shows that they are looking for racial privileges - let them hang themselves.
Oh snap! We better get an african american and a latino in here quick before we get busted...doesnt matter what they stand for as long as we dont look racist! We should get some women too...and at least one homosexual.

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Tancredo is a fool. Freedom of association and assembly is still guaranteed under our Constitution.
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So make sure you have that same attitude when the gays attack the Boy Scouts.[/quote]
I had no trouble with the Boy Scouts decision to exclude gays. They are a private organization and are free to make their rules as bigoted and homophobic as they wish.

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Oh, so you're saying you would support a "Congressional White Causus" which excluded blacks and hispanics?
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Oh, you don't, eh?
Such an organization would delight me to no end.

How about you?
Would you like to see a "Congressional White Caucus" JP?

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Isn't Obama in the CBC?

Yep.

...he has a black father and a white mother... So I wonder how black you actually have to be.

He is black.
If he looked like his MOM would he still be black? If it were reversed and his Dad was white and his MOM was black, would he still be black? Honest question - I really wanna know.

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The fact that Cohen was denied acceptance because of his skin color is telling. You would think the Congressional Black Caucasus would want members who represent the black community; Cohen’s district not only contains a black community, but blacks have the majority.

So you are saying that Rep. Cohen can represent his district better if he joins the CBC.
Cohen apparently thought so. Then again, he musta thought that the CBC dealt with black issues.
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If he looked like his MOM would he still be black? If it were reversed and his Dad was white and his MOM was black, would he still be black? Honest question - I really wanna know.
i'll share what some black people have told me on this subject. apparently, if you look black (at all) you will be considered black. so, no matter how light your skin may be, if your facial features show any indication that you may be black, most will simply think of you as such. and most people with that appearance will conform to the title, and only explain their full background if asked.
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If he looked like his MOM would he still be black? If it were reversed and his Dad was white and his MOM was black, would he still be black? Honest question - I really wanna know.
Now that would be a fun question to pose to the CBC. It's like "what makes a Jew?" How much black blood is required before you can join the CBC?

Is Tiger Woods black enough? Or too Asian?

Ooh, I smell a blog entry....
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oh, man...

sounds like the white guys are feeling underrepresented. they have it so tough.
Uh, there is no "white caucus".
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... all white caucus solely based on race ...
tancredo should grab his pointy white hat and establish the caucasian/white caucus because there is nothing preventing him from doing so ... with the possible exception of a voting public who would run his butt out of office

i also recognize the naacp has no restrictions on membership and tancredo has not attempted to associate himself with that organization to better understand and represent the interests of his African-American constituents..
Why should he or ANYONE join a group that seeks privileges for a racial group? Isn't that kind of like joining the Klan?
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