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Old 04-11-2007, 04:58 PM
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BTW, Raytri.....here's a question for you on this subject....speaking of conflicts of interest and fairness and all:

Do think Senator Chuck Shumer, who sits on this Judiciary Committe who is trying to get rid of one of Bush's top appointees ought to recuse himself? Considering Shumer is Chairman of the political organization, the DSCC? They've taken it down now....but recently there was a quote by Schumer that said....."the way to get rid of a Bush is by the roots." So, what do you think? Should Schumer recuse himself?
Recuse himself from what? The Justice investigation?

No. Relationships between the branches are *meant* to be political. If Schumer pushes the partisan angle too hard, he will be punished politically.
OMG, Raytri. Are you sure you aren't on the Democrats staff at the federal level??? You always have an excuse for them.....no matter what. I'm betting that you would NOT consider Schumer going too far POLITICALLY if he manages to get Gonzales to resign---not because of some illegality, but because of political pressure. Am I right??? So, exactly what would be Schumer's "pushing the partisan angle too hard" in your opinion?
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:12 PM
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But where are those two now? Oh yeah....right STILL in their positions and with nothing going on in the Democrats talking points about them either. No investigations there, right???
Both are the subjects of FBI probes; Mollohan has been removed from the ethics committee and the committee overseeing the FBI -- two true conflicts of interest.

You expect either party to spend a lot of time talking about their embarassments?

My point was that I think Jefferson is guilty and I think Mollohan's situation is very shady.

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Huh? So it doesn't matter that it's not a crime to replace Attorney's for ANY reason?
It's a crime if it interfered with ongoing investigations.

It's inappropriate if it was because not enough Dems were being prosecuted, or there weren't sufficient indictments before the election, or otherwise compromising the independence and impartiality of the prosecutors.

It's embarassing if it was handled incompetently.

And lying to Congress is never a good idea.

But my main point is that you don't really want this thread to turn into a discussion of the prosecutor case, do you?

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But none that I can think of who had such a conflict of interest and got NO mainstream press over it.
How would you know if they're not getting any press over it?

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And we already know that lying isn't a problem....because Leahy and Schumer have told us that what they are doing isn't political. That's the biggest LIE ever.
Apples/oranges.

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Oh really? I thought it was at least partially about interfering with the judicial process and or cases. Isn't that one of the things the Dem leadership is now trying to prove happened?
I was referring to the flap over use of the RNC e-mail addresses. Are you now talking about the prosecutor firings?

You keep trying to compare purely political processes -- like confirming appointees -- with nonpolitical transgressions like violating the government records laws or lying to Congress or compromising the independence of federal prosecutors.
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:21 PM
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OMG, Raytri. Are you sure you aren't on the Democrats staff at the federal level??? You always have an excuse for them.....no matter what.
I just recognize that politics is a legitimate if often lamentable part of politics. I was not thrilled by the endless GOP investigations of the Clinton administration -- but I never suggested they didn't have a right to do so merely because it was transparently political. Similarly, you don't see me blasting the current GOP minority for being "obstructionist"; that's what Congressional minorities do.

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I'm betting that you would NOT consider Schumer going too far POLITICALLY if he manages to get Gonzales to resign---not because of some illegality, but because of political pressure.
I've said Gonzales should resign for reasons other than the prosecutor firings. I'm not going to shed a tear when he goes down, whatever the proximate cause.

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So, exactly what would be Schumer's "pushing the partisan angle too hard" in your opinion?
The price he will pay does not depend on me, but on the sentiments of millions of voters. But the limit for me is when asking legitimate questions turns into pure partisan fishing expeditions. For example, you're aware that on my blog I've said Henry Waxman's inquiry into the RNC e-mails should be narrowly construed, not an open-door tromp through the RNC's databases.
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You got me going there! I thought you would have news that she is resigning from the Senate and that she would never affect the public again, but I have to settle for a small victory.
I think every clear thinking Californian had the same feeling when it hit the headlines. Shame on JP5 for taking us through that rollercoaster again.

I had my own small victory when I saw that my County (Orange) voted in Mountjoy over Feinstein 49.7% to 45.1% in the ’06 election. Too bad the TV news media won’t cover this story or we’d have a serious chance in our next election to get her out.

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I started writing a blog entry on it a while back, then stopped after realizing there just wasn't a lot there.
I can see how the bolded text doesn’t strike a cord with you....it must just be a coincidence. She must have just been bored with the position...no foul play could be possible. In fact...I don’t even know why this justified a press release...people casually step down from government positions all the time...why cover this one? After all...its only a coincidence.
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:17 AM
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I can see how the bolded text doesn’t strike a cord with you....it must just be a coincidence. She must have just been bored with the position...no foul play could be possible. In fact...I don’t even know why this justified a press release...people casually step down from government positions all the time...why cover this one? After all...its only a coincidence.
Stepping down more than a year after her husband divested just doesn't strike me as a smoking gun.

For the record, here's what I wrote for my blog before deciding there just wasn't much there and canning the post.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee.

So what, you ask? Well, her presence there for the last six years has represented <a href=
"http://www.bohemian.com/bohemian/03.14.07/byrne-0711.html">one continuing conflict of interest</a>, thanks to her husband's ownership of two defense contractors that were awarded billions of dollars in federal construction projects -- projects that were approved by Feinstein's subcomittee.

There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of this report. The reportage is heavily partisan and uses speculation and insinuation to suggest there is more here than there is. For instance, while the subcommittee approves construction projects, it does not have any responsibility for the awarding of contracts; that is handled by a separate government agency. Further, Feinstein was merely one of several members on the subcommittee, which was headed by Republicans. So her influence was limited.

The report also uses illegitimate "association" tactics, like pointing to Boston Scientific Corp. -- a major supplier of medical devices -- and suggesting that its contracts were sweetheart deals because Feinstein's husband owns Boston Sci stock. Never mind that the value of the contracts, $17.8 million, would barely qualify as a rounding error for Boston Sci's nearly $8 billion in revenue.

Finally -- and this is a biggie -- Feinstein's husband sold his interests in the contractors in 2005. So there currently is no conflict of interest.

But it seems like a bad idea to have Feinstein on a committee that considers business of such personal import to her.
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