Thread: EPA to shut down Coal Plants: Job Losses, Blackouts and Soaring Bills expected

In the end, this is a scare tactic being promoted by coal lobbyists.

With the profitability of coal, the cost of scrubbers is well within their ability to buy......and if forced, they will take the hit and stay in the profitable business.

Originally Posted by Badmutha

You willingness to pay them to produce electricity....

....so you can trun on your computer, come on here and tell us how bad they are.

50 million Obama zombies could regulate everything via the free market......

.....but they never manage to get past their own hypocrisy.
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I pay them to produce electricity, not pollution. Nowhere in my contract with my electric company does it say anything about them being allowed to poison me, yet they are doing so against my will and without just compensation.

You've never taken an economics class have you? Externalities are specifically outside of the markets control. They are market failures. How can the free market deal with them?

Originally Posted by Landru Guide Us

Exxon to bring energy independence.

Exxon = Coal ?

Coal doesn't come from America?

Originally Posted by Questerr

What gives coal companies the right to poison myself and others with air pollution without compensation?

Air pollution is a negative externality. The market won't regulate it, so the government must.

You obviously didn't read my OP.

There is no evidence that these so-called "pollutants" are harmful.

Also, the government is the largest polluter in the country. How can you trust the largest polluter to protect you from pollution? LMAO!

Originally Posted by Landru Guide Us

Yep, the market has failed. We can't rely on Exxon to bring energy independence. We need a Manhattan project, funded by a surcharge on millioniares' income, that brings together the best scientists and engineers to set forth a plan to make the US energy independent, more or less, by a date certain. And then we need to impliment that plan.

Once again, reality shows that markets often fail.

Crude oil from dictators works just fine until America runs out of money.

Originally Posted by Landru Guide Us

Yep, the market has failed. We can't rely on Exxon to bring energy independence. We need a Manhattan project, funded by a surcharge on millioniares' income, that brings together the best scientists and engineers to set forth a plan to make the US energy independent, more or less, by a date certain. And then we need to impliment that plan.

Once again, reality shows that markets often fail.

Exxon is not an accurate representation of the free market. The Rockefeller family got to where they are by total subversion of the free market.

Markets only fail when they're intruded on by government.

Originally Posted by Questerr

I pay them to produce electricity, not pollution. Nowhere in my contract with my electric company does it say anything about them being allowed to poison me, yet they are doing so against my will and without just compensation.

You've never taken an economics class have you? Externalities are specifically outside of the markets control. They are market failures. How can the free market deal with them?

The socalled pollutants youre referring to are not harmful.

Originally Posted by gmb92

Coal is incredibly dirty, and its usage destroys local environments, contributes signficantly to global warming, and causes serious worldwide health problems and billions of related damages. The EPA rules take care of the most dirty ones. But there are much better forms of energy than coal, including wind, geothermal, solar, hydro, nuclear, and to some extent, natural gas. Time to ditch 20th century technology. Yep - some industries will suffer. Others will thrive. Renewable energy is more labor intensive so it's generally good on the job front.

So will individuals, when energy bills skyrocket, blackouts occur and jobs are lost. Spoken like a true collectivist.

Please provide evidence that these so-called pollutants are harmful to the environment.

good news for those who invested in LNG tech, frack baby frack

Originally Posted by Questerr

I pay them to produce electricity, not pollution. Nowhere in my contract with my electric company does it say anything about them being allowed to poison me, yet they are doing so against my will and without just compensation.

So stop paying them........

...see how the free market works everytime......

You've never taken an economics class have you? Externalities are specifically outside of the markets control. They are market failures. How can the free market deal with them?

If a majority doesnt like the product or bi-product.....the free market will produce a replacement.

If 50 million Obamabots demanded their energy be supplied via WIndmills, Caribou poop, and HOPE.......the free market would produce such.

......but it seems they love cheap coal electricity as much as AlGore loves gas guzzling jets and SUVeees.
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