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    How Rick Perry Won the Debate

    Jonathan Chait

    September 7, 2011 | 10:17 pm
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    The most intellectually interesting portion of tonight's Republican presidential debate occurred in its opening moments, when Rick Perry and Mitt Romney sparred over their statesí record of job creation. Perry cited his states record of creating jobs. Romney replied that his state inherited a worse situation, and wound up with a lower level of unemployment, while of course ignoring that Perry has governed during a recession. Perry responded that Romney created jobs at a lower rate than Michael Dukakis.

    The whole exchange seemed to demonstrate conclusively that the method of evaluating a governorís record by its job creation, by any measure, borders on useless. The effect of state policy, compared to the broader environment or other factors beyond a governorís control, is simply too miniscule. Of course, this realization kicks the slats out from beneath Perryís entire general election economic message.

    Yet Perry, stylistically, ruled the roost. The media seems to consider Romney the winner. Pardon the condescension, but theyíre not thinking like Republican base voters. Romney approaches every question as if he is in an actual debate, trying to provide the most intellectually compelling answer available, within the bounds of political expediency. Perry treats questions as interruptions. What scientists do you trust on climate change? I donít want to risk the economy. Are you taking a radical position on social security? We can have reasons or we can have results. His total liberation from the constraints of reason give Perry a chance to represent the Republican id in a way Romney simply cannot match.

    In this way Perry eerily apes the style of George W. Bush, who was also mocked for his intellectually vapid debating style, but who succeeded in rallying Republicans behind him. I donít think itís a coincidence. I suspect the Bush-Perry debating style broadcasts a subliminal message of strong leadership. Romney feels compelled to bind himself to the parameters of the question before him. Perry ignores them. It is, in a sense, an alpha male move. I am not going to lower myself to your premise about scientists. I am going to declare my principles.

    In my view, Perry established his alpha male style, and that impression will matter more than any position or statement heís made.
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cha...won-the-debate

    In a rather condenscending manner, the liberals at New Republic have declared Rick Perry the winner of the GOP debate.

    Yes, Perry is alpha male, but part of the reason he is comes off as manly is the manliness of his ideas. The rugged Texan concept that people should take care of themselves and not look to the government for a handout is something East Coast liberals can't understand.

    The moderators tried hard to make Perry back off on social security but he wouldn't. He stuck to his guns that Social Security is a ponzi scheme and a fraud.

    The moderators tried to make Perry back off on the death penalty and he didn't. He said it did not disturb his conscience that there have been over 200 executions while he was governor.

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    I have my issues with Perry, but good on him for going after social security, which, despite what the anti-war Ron Paul fanboys think, is the true cause of our pending bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewskier View Post
    I have my issues with Perry, but good on him for going after social security, which, despite what the anti-war Ron Paul fanboys think, is the true cause of our pending bankruptcy.
    Nice try there. Ron Paul has talked about the failures of the social security ponzi scheme for decades, you know, while Rick Perry was backing Al Gore, making speeches about open borders, raising taxes, granting Dream Acts, taking bribes...the usual.

    Perry is quite simply lying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewskier View Post
    I have my issues with Perry, but good on him for going after social security, which, despite what the anti-war Ron Paul fanboys think, is the true cause of our pending bankruptcy.
    I was unaware that Ron Paul supported SS.
    I find it to be near impossible for someone to have a valid perception of reality and maintain a clear and consistent preference of one political party over another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewskier View Post
    I have my issues with Perry, but good on him for going after social security, which, despite what the anti-war Ron Paul fanboys think, is the true cause of our pending bankruptcy.
    Social Security is solvent through 2036. The problem is the Federal Government has been stealing money out of it for decades to spend on other crap, and leaving "IOU's" in the Social Security "lockbox".

    What's really a crime is that way that politicians talk like they want to screw people out of Social Security after working taxpayers were forced by law to pay into it and Medicare all their lives. Any political party that tries to pull crap like that is committing suicide... because Baby Boomers VOTE!

    Hey, we came up with hundreds of billions to save Wall Street, the financial broker crime syndicates, the Welfare State, and bail out the banks -- now they'd better come up with whatever is needed to rescue Social Security or there will be hell to pay in the next election....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkCitizen View Post
    Nice try there. Ron Paul has talked about the failures of the social security ponzi scheme for decades, you know, while Rick Perry was backing Al Gore, making speeches about open borders, raising taxes, granting Dream Acts, taking bribes...the usual.

    Perry is quite simply lying!
    Yep, Perry is a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).
    I find it to be near impossible for someone to have a valid perception of reality and maintain a clear and consistent preference of one political party over another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollycy View Post
    Social Security is solvent through 2036. The problem is the Federal Government has been stealing money out of it for decades to spend on other crap, and leaving "IOU's" in the Social Security "lockbox".
    The government hasn't been stealing money out of SS. SS invests its revenues in federal bonds. However, the interior debt is ridiculously serious. SS is not broke because the government has taken the money, it is broke because it has always been broken.

    What's really a crime is that way that politicians talk like they want to screw people out of Social Security after working taxpayers were forced by law to pay into it and Medicare all their lives. Any political party that tries to pull crap like that is committing suicide... because Baby Boomers VOTE!
    They could have voted for politicians their entire lives that supported forcing them by law to pay into it. At any point, they could have changed there voting pattern, and they did not. Assuming that SS will be there for any given generation after a lifetime of taxing is a folly on their own part.

    Hey, we came up with hundreds of billions to save Wall Street, the financial broker crime syndicates, the Welfare State, and bail out the banks -- now they'd better come up with whatever is needed to rescue Social Security or there will be hell to pay in the next election....
    The bailouts are a drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded liabilities we face due to the current entitlement programs.
    I find it to be near impossible for someone to have a valid perception of reality and maintain a clear and consistent preference of one political party over another.

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    Social security is robbing from the young to give money to the old.

    It's a pyramid scheme and only works if there's enough young people to pay the old people.

    But with all the Baby Boomers retiring soon the system will be out of balance.

    The generations after them do not have enough workers to keep the system afloat.

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    So, today we see an issue that once divided and frightened so many people now uniting us. Our elderly need no longer fear that the checks they depend on will be stopped or reduced. These amendments protect them. Americans of middle age need no longer worry whether their career-long investment will pay off. These amendments guarantee it. And younger people can feel confident that social security will still be around when they need it to cushion their retirement.

    These amendments reaffirm the commitment of our government to the performance and stability of social security. It was nearly 50 years ago when, under the leadership of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the American people reached a great turning point, setting up the social security system. F.D.R. spoke then of an era of startling industrial changes that tended more and more to make life insecure. It was his belief that the system can furnish only a base upon which each one of our citizens may build his individual security through his own individual efforts. Today we reaffirm Franklin Roosevelt's commitment that social security must always provide a secure and stable base so that older Americans may live in dignity.
    Ronald Reagan, 1983

    Perry disagrees with Reagan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freakonature View Post
    The government hasn't been stealing money out of SS. SS invests its revenues in federal bonds. However, the interior debt is ridiculously serious. SS is not broke because the government has taken the money, it is broke because it has always been broken .
    "It is always broken"? Even if that were true, how is that the fault of people who have been forced by law to pay into the system? Seems like it worked fairly well until the Bush/Obama circus came to town starting about ten years ago....

    And if SS revenues are invested in Treasury bonds, they are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government in the same way that all other U.S. Treasury bonds are. So where's the rationale for screwing people out of the Social Security benefit they have worked all their lives for?

    Quote Originally Posted by freakonature View Post
    They could have voted for politicians their entire lives that supported forcing them by law to pay into it. At any point, they could have changed there voting pattern, and they did not. Assuming that SS will be there for any given generation after a lifetime of taxing is a folly on their own part.
    Woulda, coulda, shoulda... hey, never forget that the whole Social Security System was a brain-fart of that great hyperliberal, Democrat "god", Frankie Roosevelt! Social Security was already cast in concrete before any of us were born! It never should have been created in the first place, but now that generations of taxpaying citizens have been forced by law to pay into it, some other clowns want to "change the deal"? They are committing political suicide if they do!

    Quote Originally Posted by freakonature View Post
    The bailouts are a drop in the bucket compared to the unfunded liabilities we face due to the current entitlement programs.
    Then cut the Welfare State! Cut Medicaid, not Medicare... don't you even see the difference? Medicaid is WELFARE, but Medicare is a benefit that people have been forced to pay into all their lives. I know I say that a lot, but some of you just don't get it! Same thing with all the other government hand-out crap -- separate what is WELFARE from what has been EARNED by payments demanded by the government from the taxpayers. There's a gigantic difference.

    If you remember nothing else, get this: there's strength in numbers, and Baby Boomers VOTE. We forced an end to the Vietnam War and the Nixon presidency -- we'll throw anybody who tries to screw us right out on their ass! Depend on it!
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