First criminal convictions from Ohio's stolen 2004 election

goldendog · #1 (**permalink**) 06-02-2007, 08:33 PM

http://www.freepress.org/departments...y/19/2007/2379

Election Issues

First criminal convictions from Ohio's stolen 2004 election confirm recount was rigged
by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
January 27, 2007

The first felony convictions of two Cleveland poll workers stemming from Ohio's stolen 2004 election confirm that the official recount in that contested vote was, in the words of county prosecutors, "rigged." The question now is whether further prosecutions will reach higher up in the ranks of officials who may have been involved in illegalities throughout the rest of the state.

The convictions have come down in Cuyahoga County, where Democratic candidates traditionally run up huge majorities. Suspicious vote counts and other irregularities cut deeply into John Kerry's margins in 2004. Official vote counts gave the state---and thus the presidency---to George W. Bush by about 118,000 votes out of 5.5 million counted.

A statewide recount, paid for by the Green and Libertarian Parties, was marred in 87 of the state's 88 counties by the types of illegalities that led to this week's convictions. Only in Coshocton County was a full, manual recount performed.

Throughout the rest of the state, under the direction of Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, mandatory random sampling was not done, as prescribed by law. Instead, poll workers illegally chose sample precincts for recounting where they knew there would be no problems, and then routinely recounted the rest of the ballots by machine, rendering the recount meaningless.

Blackwell simultaneously served as state co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. This fall he was defeated in his campaign for governor by Democrat Ted Strickland.

County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter opened the Cuyahoga trial by charging that "the evidence will show that this recount was rigged, maybe not for political reasons, but rigged nonetheless." Baxter said three election workers "did this so they could spend a day rather than weeks or months" on the recount. "This was a very hush operation."

Jacqueline Maiden, the county election board's third-ranking employee, and Kathleen Dreamer, an assistant manager, have each been convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct and a misdemeanor count of failing to perform their duties. Rosie Grier, the board's ballot department manager, was acquitted on all seven counts raised against the three. Sentencing is scheduled for late February. Defense attorneys have indicated they will appeal. The felony conviction carries a possible sentence of six to 18 months.

The county prosecutors have not yet alleged vote fraud. No do they say mishandling the recount affected the election's outcome. Dreamer's defense attorney, Roger Synenberg, said the defendants "were just doing [the recount] the way they were always doing it."

But Cuyahoga's precinct-by-precinct vote counts and turnout numbers varied wildly and improbably. Several predominantly black precincts showed turnouts of less than 30% in a county where overall turnout was around 60%. One ward showed a 7% turnout as compared to surrounding precincts with turnouts nearly ten times as high.

Further prosecutions may now hinge on what Maiden and Dreamer might tell prosecutors about the role played by higher-ups. The assumption is widespread that the decision to consciously designate test precincts, rather than choose them at random, must have been at least tacitly approved by Secretary of State Blackwell.

In Cleveland, Robert Bennett, chair of the state's Republican Party, also served as chair of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. Cuyahoga BOE Executive Director Michael Vu was chosen by the county Democratic Party. Under Vu's direction, the county's elections have been rife with chaos, irregularities and apparent fraud. When the Democrats recently tried to remove him from his post, Vu was supported by Bennett and the Republican Party. He kept his job when Blackwell strategically abstained from a key removal vote.

There is growing evidence that what happened in Cleveland was the rule, rather than the exception, in Ohio's 2004 presidential recount. Sworn testimony at a public hearing in Toledo indicates Diebold technicians were involved in picking "random" precincts to be recounted there. A memory card was apparently lacking from at least one optiscan machines.

Miami County election officials admit they merely ran the optiscan ballots through the ES 550 counter, rather than doing the prescribed random recounts. Free Press reporters have found recount results varied signficantly from official results, which should have triggered a hand recount of all the ballots in the county. This was never done in Miami or in any other Ohio County except Coshocton.

Handwritten field notes from Paddy Shaffer, the Green/Libertarian Recount Coordinator in Delaware County in 2004, call into question the role played by ES&S technician Sam Hogsett. On December 15, 2004, Shaffer recorded at 2:42pm that Hogsett was "...tapping tabulator machine on left. There are two machines in the room. Kim [Spangler] says he is doing this because the light/the switch keeps going out. He has now handled the machines multiple times."

At 4:25pm, Shaffer recorded "ES&S tech Sam Hogsett back on the machine and touching the ballots. They are working on Genoa precincts. My intuition is screaming get him away from the ballots and machines. ... He continued moving around the machines, stacking in the ballots."

At 5:05pm Shaffer noted "Sam is back loading and stacking. Throughout much of this time, Sam is the one to call out the precinct total and the name."

Sam Hogsett is more than an ES&S technician according to Shaffer and others who investigated him, who have found his letters to the editor quite alarming. Voting rights activists troubled by Hogsett's role in the recount found letters posted under the name Sam Hogsett, Crown City, at the southeatern Ohio newspaper website http://www.herald-dispatch.com. One of the letters begins as follows: "I recently read in this pitifully left-leaning editorial section that the spineless, thoughtless, moral less useless left-wing liberal America hater Robert Sheer is unsuccessfully attempting to use an apples-to-oranges comparison to wrongfully attack our Second Amendment rights." Hogsett goes on to write: "... He [Sheer] believes that if I were to take a Smith and Wesson and blast his little pea brain to bits, that his family should be able to sue the manufacturer and the gun dealer who sold it to me."

Initially, Delaware County Prosecutor Dave Yost obtained a temporary restraining order stopping the recount in Delaware County on November 23, 2004.

The Delaware Gazette noted a complaint from Shaffer about the role Hogsett played in the recount as a private voting machine company technician, and in a report dated January 1, 2005, Shaffer wrote the Delaware County Board of Elections that John Myers of the Delaware County Democratic Party said that, "He was very pleased that unlike many counties that are at the mercy of computer technicians, Delaware is not. He [Myers] said during both conversations, even repeated over and over, that they do their own programming. So why was Sam Hogsett needed? Why involve the technician in the process of the recount?"

Board of Elections records in Fairfield County document that when the recount was not matching thus mandating a full handcount under Ohio law, the Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell's office recommended that Sam Hogsett be brought in to deal with the discrepancies between the official count and the recount. After Hogsett arrived and took charge of the recount as a private ES&S technician, the vote matched perfectly for the first time.

In Athens and Auglaize Counties, BOE workers who attempted to blow the whistle on apparent election irregularities were forced out of their jobs.

Overall, the illegalities prompting these initial convictions in Cuyahoga County appear to be the rule rather than the exception in the handling of the Ohio 2004 recount statewide. The question now is whether parallel prosecutions will follow in other counties. And whether such prosecutions might include those who are likely to have ordered or approved the illegalities that marred the recount in Cleveland, and throughout the rest of the state.

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Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008 (http://www.freepress.org/), and, with Steve Rosenfeld, of WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO?, published by the New Press.

WOOHOOO!!! Great news!!

FINALLY a couple of convictions! The wheels of justice sure move slowly, don't they?

There will be more to come.

Rep. Conyers is pressing forward with information about Monika Goodling's testimony about caging lists. Raging Caging - What the heck is vote caging, and why should we care?

Griffin, known as "Rove's brain" has just resigned. US Attorney resigns following Conyers’ request for BBC documents

Greg Palast just turned over to John Conyers 50 missing emails from the thousands Rove/Cheney/Gonzales claim are missing.

Those emails are caging lists for mostly black voters whose votes were blocked. In just these 50 emails alone, there are 70,000 names of Florida residents who were falsely blocked from having their votes count.

If you don't like the way someone votes, just find a way to negate their vote! That's Republican "values" for you.

Of course, it's a felony.

BroncoBilly · #2 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 04:36 AM

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http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2379

Election Issues

First criminal convictions from Ohio's stolen 2004 election confirm recount was rigged
by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
January 27, 2007

The first felony convictions of two Cleveland poll workers stemming from Ohio's stolen 2004 election confirm that the official recount in that contested vote was, in the words of county prosecutors, "rigged." The question now is whether further prosecutions will reach higher up in the ranks of officials who may have been involved in illegalities throughout the rest of the state.

The convictions have come down in Cuyahoga County, where Democratic candidates traditionally run up huge majorities. Suspicious vote counts and other irregularities cut deeply into John Kerry's margins in 2004. Official vote counts gave the state---and thus the presidency---to George W. Bush by about 118,000 votes out of 5.5 million counted.

A statewide recount, paid for by the Green and Libertarian Parties, was marred in 87 of the state's 88 counties by the types of illegalities that led to this week's convictions. Only in Coshocton County was a full, manual recount performed.

Throughout the rest of the state, under the direction of Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, mandatory random sampling was not done, as prescribed by law. Instead, poll workers illegally chose sample precincts for recounting where they knew there would be no problems, and then routinely recounted the rest of the ballots by machine, rendering the recount meaningless.

Blackwell simultaneously served as state co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign. This fall he was defeated in his campaign for governor by Democrat Ted Strickland.

County Prosecutor Kevin Baxter opened the Cuyahoga trial by charging that "the evidence will show that this recount was rigged, maybe not for political reasons, but rigged nonetheless." Baxter said three election workers "did this so they could spend a day rather than weeks or months" on the recount. "This was a very hush operation."

Jacqueline Maiden, the county election board's third-ranking employee, and Kathleen Dreamer, an assistant manager, have each been convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct and a misdemeanor count of failing to perform their duties. Rosie Grier, the board's ballot department manager, was acquitted on all seven counts raised against the three. Sentencing is scheduled for late February. Defense attorneys have indicated they will appeal. The felony conviction carries a possible sentence of six to 18 months.

The county prosecutors have not yet alleged vote fraud. No do they say mishandling the recount affected the election's outcome. Dreamer's defense attorney, Roger Synenberg, said the defendants "were just doing [the recount] the way they were always doing it."

But Cuyahoga's precinct-by-precinct vote counts and turnout numbers varied wildly and improbably. Several predominantly black precincts showed turnouts of less than 30% in a county where overall turnout was around 60%. One ward showed a 7% turnout as compared to surrounding precincts with turnouts nearly ten times as high.

Further prosecutions may now hinge on what Maiden and Dreamer might tell prosecutors about the role played by higher-ups. The assumption is widespread that the decision to consciously designate test precincts, rather than choose them at random, must have been at least tacitly approved by Secretary of State Blackwell.

In Cleveland, Robert Bennett, chair of the state's Republican Party, also served as chair of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections. Cuyahoga BOE Executive Director Michael Vu was chosen by the county Democratic Party. Under Vu's direction, the county's elections have been rife with chaos, irregularities and apparent fraud. When the Democrats recently tried to remove him from his post, Vu was supported by Bennett and the Republican Party. He kept his job when Blackwell strategically abstained from a key removal vote.

There is growing evidence that what happened in Cleveland was the rule, rather than the exception, in Ohio's 2004 presidential recount. Sworn testimony at a public hearing in Toledo indicates Diebold technicians were involved in picking "random" precincts to be recounted there. A memory card was apparently lacking from at least one optiscan machines.

Miami County election officials admit they merely ran the optiscan ballots through the ES 550 counter, rather than doing the prescribed random recounts. Free Press reporters have found recount results varied signficantly from official results, which should have triggered a hand recount of all the ballots in the county. This was never done in Miami or in any other Ohio County except Coshocton.

Handwritten field notes from Paddy Shaffer, the Green/Libertarian Recount Coordinator in Delaware County in 2004, call into question the role played by ES&S technician Sam Hogsett. On December 15, 2004, Shaffer recorded at 2:42pm that Hogsett was "...tapping tabulator machine on left. There are two machines in the room. Kim [Spangler] says he is doing this because the light/the switch keeps going out. He has now handled the machines multiple times."

At 4:25pm, Shaffer recorded "ES&S tech Sam Hogsett back on the machine and touching the ballots. They are working on Genoa precincts. My intuition is screaming get him away from the ballots and machines. ... He continued moving around the machines, stacking in the ballots."

At 5:05pm Shaffer noted "Sam is back loading and stacking. Throughout much of this time, Sam is the one to call out the precinct total and the name."

Sam Hogsett is more than an ES&S technician according to Shaffer and others who investigated him, who have found his letters to the editor quite alarming. Voting rights activists troubled by Hogsett's role in the recount found letters posted under the name Sam Hogsett, Crown City, at the southeatern Ohio newspaper website http://www.herald-dispatch.com. One of the letters begins as follows: "I recently read in this pitifully left-leaning editorial section that the spineless, thoughtless, moral less useless left-wing liberal America hater Robert Sheer is unsuccessfully attempting to use an apples-to-oranges comparison to wrongfully attack our Second Amendment rights." Hogsett goes on to write: "... He [Sheer] believes that if I were to take a Smith and Wesson and blast his little pea brain to bits, that his family should be able to sue the manufacturer and the gun dealer who sold it to me."

Initially, Delaware County Prosecutor Dave Yost obtained a temporary restraining order stopping the recount in Delaware County on November 23, 2004.

The Delaware Gazette noted a complaint from Shaffer about the role Hogsett played in the recount as a private voting machine company technician, and in a report dated January 1, 2005, Shaffer wrote the Delaware County Board of Elections that John Myers of the Delaware County Democratic Party said that, "He was very pleased that unlike many counties that are at the mercy of computer technicians, Delaware is not. He [Myers] said during both conversations, even repeated over and over, that they do their own programming. So why was Sam Hogsett needed? Why involve the technician in the process of the recount?"

Board of Elections records in Fairfield County document that when the recount was not matching thus mandating a full handcount under Ohio law, the Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell's office recommended that Sam Hogsett be brought in to deal with the discrepancies between the official count and the recount. After Hogsett arrived and took charge of the recount as a private ES&S technician, the vote matched perfectly for the first time.

In Athens and Auglaize Counties, BOE workers who attempted to blow the whistle on apparent election irregularities were forced out of their jobs.

Overall, the illegalities prompting these initial convictions in Cuyahoga County appear to be the rule rather than the exception in the handling of the Ohio 2004 recount statewide. The question now is whether parallel prosecutions will follow in other counties. And whether such prosecutions might include those who are likely to have ordered or approved the illegalities that marred the recount in Cleveland, and throughout the rest of the state.

--
Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of HOW THE GOP STOLE AMERICA'S 2004 ELECTION & IS RIGGING 2008 (http://www.freepress.org/), and, with Steve Rosenfeld, of WHAT HAPPENED IN OHIO?, published by the New Press.

WOOHOOO!!! Great news!!

FINALLY a couple of convictions! The wheels of justice sure move slowly, don't they?

There will be more to come.

Rep. Conyers is pressing forward with information about Monika Goodling's testimony about caging lists. Raging Caging - What the heck is vote caging, and why should we care?

Griffin, known as "Rove's brain" has just resigned. US Attorney resigns following Conyers’ request for BBC documents

Greg Palast just turned over to John Conyers 50 missing emails from the thousands Rove/Cheney/Gonzales claim are missing.

Those emails are caging lists for mostly black voters whose votes were blocked. In just these 50 emails alone, there are 70,000 names of Florida residents who were falsely blocked from having their votes count.

If you don't like the way someone votes, just find a way to negate their vote! That's Republican "values" for you.

Of course, it's a felony.

Sometimes sheeple like you just keep getting sucked into the loony left BS.
You lost, get over it, and quit telling lies.

http://rangevoting.org/OhioConvictns.html

CLEVELAND – Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of manipulating a recount of the 2004 U.S. presidential election to avoid a more thorough ballot review in Ohio's most populous county.

Ohio gave U.S. President George W. Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Senator John Kerry in the close election and hold on to the White House. However, a special prosecutor did not claim that the workers' actions affected the election's outcome.

Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct of an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure of elections employees to perform their duty.

Prosecutors accused Maiden and Dreamer of secretly reviewing preselected ballots before a public recount on Dec. 16, 2004. They worked behind closed doors for three days to pick ballots they knew would not cause discrepancies when checked by hand, prosecutors said.

Defense attorney Roger Synenberg has said the workers were following procedures as they understood them.

Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county's recount.

Maiden and Dreamer, who still work for the elections board, face a possible sentence of six to 18 months for the felony conviction. Sentencing is Feb. 26.

Crackerbread · #3 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 04:57 AM

2006 FAST FACTS ON VOTER FRAUD

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Tennessee Bureau Of Investigation Is Reviewing Reports Of Double Voting In Memphis, TN; 12 Smartcards Used To Activate Electronic Voting Machines Went Missing From A An Early Voting Location.

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In 2006, Thousands Of Potentially Fraudulent Registration Cards Have Been Submitted By Democrat-Affiliated Groups In The Battleground States Of Colorado, Missouri, Ohio, And Pennsylvania.

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Democrat Registration Cards In Question Feature The Names Of Deceased People, Forged Signatures, Nonexistent And Invalid Names And Addresses, And Fraudulent Social Security Numbers.

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A Federal Grand Jury Indicted Workers From The Left-Wing Voter Registration Group ACORN For Submitting False Voter Registrations In Kansas City.

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ACORN Reportedly Illegally Campaigned For Senate Candidate Claire McCaskill (D-MO).

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Thousands Of Deceased Citizens Remain Registered To Vote In Missouri And New York.

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This Cycle, Democrat Primary Elections In Kentucky And New Jersey Have Already Led To Indictments And Arrests Alleging Vote-Buying And Absentee Ballot Fraud.

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Chairman Of The Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA), Called On The IRS To Monitor ACORN For Potentially Violating Tax Laws.

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These 2006 Activities Parallel The Widespread Democrat Fraud And Intimidation Of The 2004 Election. In 2004, The Democrat Playbook Was To Fake Voter Intimidation Even If It Didn't Exist.

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6715%20

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Florida House Candidate to Face Litany of Criminal Charges After Alleging Vote Fraud
By Miriam Raftery
Raw Story

Monday 12 June 2006

In an exclusive interview with Florida House of Representatives candidate Charlie Grapski - arrested after he filed a lawsuit alleging voting fraud against Alachua County City Manager Clovis Watson, RAW STORY learns of corruption allegations that can only be described as not seen since the days of Boss Tweed.

Charlie Grapski, a Democrat running for the Florida House of Representatives, was arrested in April after filing a lawsuit alleging that City officials abused power and influenced the outcome of an election by manipulating the absentee voting process. The story, however, does not start or end with election fraud allegations. What Grapski tells is a tale that one cannot imagine occurring in a law abiding country, one of false arrest, intimidation, and a crony-business system all centered around money interests.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/61/20448

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Dead men voting: In Daschle's home state, fraud wanders off the reservation
© 2002 Wall Street Journal

John Fund's Political Diary

Reproduced under the Fair Use exception of 17 USC § 107 for noncommercial, nonprofit, and educational use.

Note: At the time this was written Senator Tom Daschle, a Democrat from South Dakota, was Majority Leader of the United States Senate.
October 16, 2002 — Today the Senate will approve and send to President Bush a landmark bill that will upgrade voting machines and begin to curb the voter fraud that is creeping into too many close elections. It can't come soon enough. Last week, a massive vote-fraud scandal broke out in a U.S. Senate race in Tom Daschle's home state of South Dakota that could determine control of that body.

The FBI and state authorities are investigating hundreds of possible cases of voter registration and absentee ballot fraud. Attorney General Mark Barnett, a Republican, says the probe centers on or near Indian reservations. "All of those counties are being flooded with new voters," says Adele Enright, the Democratic auditor of Dewey County. "We just got a huge envelope of 350 absentee ballot applications postmarked from the Sioux Falls office of the Democratic Party."

Steve Aberle, the Dewey County state's attorney, says many of the applications are in the same handwriting. At least one voter, Richard Maxon, says his signature was forged. Mr. Aberle, a Democrat with relatives in the Cheyenne River tribe, says many Native Americans have wanted little to do with "the white man's government." But this year many tribal elections have been scheduled for November 5, [2002] the same day as the critical election for Democrat Tim Johnson's Senate seat. A Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee memo last month noted that the "party has been working closely with the Native population to register voters and Senator Johnson has set up campaign offices on every reservation."

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-79.htm

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Voter fraud case traced to Defiance County registrations volunteer
124 registrations falsified, allegedly for crack cocaine

By JOE MAHR
BLADE STAFF WRITER

Mary Poppins. Jeffrey Dahmer. Janet Jackson. Chad Staton.

Defiance County elections officials were confident the first three hadn't moved to their small community. But the fourth one lived there, and - in exchange for crack cocaine - tried to falsely submit the first three names and more than 100 others onto the county's voter registration rolls, police said.

Now Mr. Staton, 22, of Defiance, faces a felony charge of false registration in a case that has quickly gained national attention as part of a hotly contested presidential battle that's attracted a flurry of new voter registrations across the country - and a flurry of complaints of voter registration fraud.

Defiance County Sheriff David Westrick said that Mr. Staton was working on behalf of a Toledo woman, Georgianne Pitts, to register new voters. She, in turn, was working on behalf of the NAACP National Voter Fund, which was formed by the NAACP in 2000 to register new voters.

Sheriff Westrick said that Pitts, 41, of Toledo, admitted she gave Mr. Staton crack cocaine in lieu of cash for supplying her with completed voter registration forms. The sheriff declined to say how much crack cocaine Pitts supplied Mr. Staton, or to say whether Pitts knew that the forms Mr. Staton gave her were falsified.

"That remains under investigation," he said.

Defiance County sheriff's deputies and Toledo police searched Pitts' home on Woodland Avenue and found drug paraphernalia and voter registration forms, the sheriff said.

Pitts, who over the past two decades has been convicted of crimes ranging from domestic violence to resisting arrest, was not arrested this week. She could not be reached for comment. A month ago, she had just finished a year of probation for driving with a suspended license.

Pitts told police that she was recruited by Thaddeus J. Jackson II, who is coordinating the Toledo efforts of the NAACP Voter Fund.

Reached yesterday afternoon in Cleveland, Mr. Jackson described Pitts as a "volunteer" with the group but said he knew of no problems with her and of no voter fraud with her new-voter submissions.

"This is the first I've heard of it," he told The Blade.

He refused further comment on the case and representatives of the voter fund in Washington declined to elaborate on Pitts' involvement in the campaign.

In a statement issued late yesterday, Gregory Moore, the national executive director, said the group was "shocked" by the allegations, welcomed the investigation, and hoped it didn't hurt the reputation of other "volunteers and canvassers who have worked tirelessly to enfranchise the disenfranchised throughout the year."

Mr. Staton's 130 voter registration forms were among the 80,000 submitted to state officials by The National Voter Fund's Ohio office, based in Cleveland. The fund turned in Mr. Staton's completed forms to the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, elections officials said.

Of the 130 forms submitted, county elections board director Wayne Olsson said that only six turned out to be legitimate.

Noting that the potentially new voters had listed addresses in Defiance County, Cuyahoga County elections officials sent the forms to Defiance County, where they arrived the afternoon of Oct. 8.

The package came with a small note inside from Cuyahoga County officials: Check the signatures on the cards for fraud.

Within an hour, Defiance County elections workers had deduced that the batch of 130 was mostly faked forms, said Laura Howell, the county elections board's deputy director.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/410190343

I could cont to expose the democratic fraud......but we can all see that your lies about the first conviction is just that...a lie......democrats have been convicted of voter fraud in Ohio......

Hey anyone want some crack for a vote? Many democrats got high before voting......crackheads...........

JP5 · #4 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 06:58 AM

Isn't it quite telling how you focus on the 2004 election still-----but NOT the 2006 election??? Why is that???

I'll just bet there was far more cheating on the other side---that helped John Kerry in 2004. Hey----if YOU can make up stories, so can I.

ashleykennedy · #5 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Crackerbread";p=&quot

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Florida House Candidate to Face Litany of Criminal Charges After Alleging Vote Fraud
By Miriam Raftery
Raw Story

Monday 12 June 2006

In an exclusive interview with Florida House of Representatives candidate Charlie Grapski - arrested after he filed a lawsuit alleging voting fraud against Alachua County City Manager Clovis Watson, RAW STORY learns of corruption allegations that can only be described as not seen since the days of Boss Tweed.

Charlie Grapski, a Democrat running for the Florida House of Representatives, was arrested in April after filing a lawsuit alleging that City officials abused power and influenced the outcome of an election by manipulating the absentee voting process. The story, however, does not start or end with election fraud allegations. What Grapski tells is a tale that one cannot imagine occurring in a law abiding country, one of false arrest, intimidation, and a crony-business system all centered around money interests.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/61/20448
I could cont to expose the democratic fraud......but we can all see that your lies about the first conviction is just that...a lie......democrats have been convicted of voter fraud in Ohio......

Hey anyone want some crack for a vote? Many democrats got high before voting......crackheads...........

I take you didn't read what your link evidence showed?

Follow up to this year:-

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Election shocker: Alachua disqualifies all challengers
Ronald Dupont Jr.
March 2007

ALACHUA -- In a vote that had people yelling at city commissioners and questioning their integrity, every challenger in the race for the two open Alachua City Commission seats has been disqualified, meaning no election will be held.

A unanimous vote by the Alachua City Commission Monday to disqualify the three challengers means that Mayor Jean Calderwood and Commissioner Bonnie Burgess are automatically reelected to their seats.

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/.../20070303.html

More shenanigans.

Crackerbread · #6 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Crackerbread";p=&quot

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Florida House Candidate to Face Litany of Criminal Charges After Alleging Vote Fraud
By Miriam Raftery
Raw Story

Monday 12 June 2006

In an exclusive interview with Florida House of Representatives candidate Charlie Grapski - arrested after he filed a lawsuit alleging voting fraud against Alachua County City Manager Clovis Watson, RAW STORY learns of corruption allegations that can only be described as not seen since the days of Boss Tweed.

Charlie Grapski, a Democrat running for the Florida House of Representatives, was arrested in April after filing a lawsuit alleging that City officials abused power and influenced the outcome of an election by manipulating the absentee voting process. The story, however, does not start or end with election fraud allegations. What Grapski tells is a tale that one cannot imagine occurring in a law abiding country, one of false arrest, intimidation, and a crony-business system all centered around money interests.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/61/20448
I could cont to expose the democratic fraud......but we can all see that your lies about the first conviction is just that...a lie......democrats have been convicted of voter fraud in Ohio......

Hey anyone want some crack for a vote? Many democrats got high before voting......crackheads...........

I take you didn't read what your link evidence showed?

Follow up to this year:-

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Election shocker: Alachua disqualifies all challengers
Ronald Dupont Jr.
March 2007

ALACHUA -- In a vote that had people yelling at city commissioners and questioning their integrity, every challenger in the race for the two open Alachua City Commission seats has been disqualified, meaning no election will be held.

A unanimous vote by the Alachua City Commission Monday to disqualify the three challengers means that Mayor Jean Calderwood and Commissioner Bonnie Burgess are automatically reelected to their seats.

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/.../20070303.html

More shenanigans.

only one out of how many I posted?.....pathetic.......

goldendog · #7 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 08:15 AM

CRIME DOESN'T PAY

jsh1120 · #8 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 09:17 AM

The entire "voter/election" fraud debate is so full of absurdities that it would be laughable if it weren't such a such a sterling example of obfuscation associated with potentially serious problems.

First, some common sense. Democrats now (and forever in the past) benefit from high turnout elections. Thus, they encourage rules and regulations that make it easier to vote. Republicans now (and forever in the past) benefit from low turnout elections. They try to make it more difficult to vote. These are truisms that anyone familiar with elections knows.

Second, if you're going to steal an election, don't bother with producing illegitimate votes. Get control of the counting process. The former approach is inherently costly, difficult, and uncertain. The latter approach is inexpensive, easy to conceal, and certain.

Third, the best way for Democrats to "steal" elections is pay people to vote. This is an approach with a long pedigree in American politics, but went out of fashion years ago as political machines declined in importance and affluence made it more and more expensive to pay people to vote.

Fourth, the best way for Republicans to "steal" elections is to discourage voting via complex registration requirements, increasing the time required to vote (by providing fewer voting machines in Democratic precincts), convincing people that they may be challenged as legitimate voters, raising doubts about whether votes are honestly counted, and encouraging purchase of voting machines from Republican party supporters.

The various claims that "voter fraud" is widespread in the United States are bogus, pure and simple. Virtually no evidence has been presented in any court anywhere in recent years that significant numbers of illegitimate VOTES have been counted in any major election. That hasn't stopped the Repubican Party (and the Bush administration) from claiming that the POTENTIAL for voter fraud exists (due largely to the failure to clean the registration rolls frequently in many jurisdictions.

The rationale for the Republican claims is transparent: to encourage passing laws that make voting more costly and inconvenient for groups that are reasonably expected to support the Democratic Party.

This has been the basis for the Justice Department support for state laws in Colorado and Georgia requiring state ID's to vote, requirements thrown out by Federal Courts. It was the basis for firing various US Attorneys who failed to get behind the Justice Department effort to prosecute voter fraud cases whether the cases were legitimate or not.

It is very unlikely that the 2004 Ohio presidential result was "stolen" in the conventional sense by the Repubicans. It is very likely, indeed it is irrefutable, that the Republican Secy of State in Ohio did everything he could to discourage Democratic voters from going to the polls. Had a less partisan Secretary of State been in office, it is certainly arguable that the result would have been different.

In the 2006 election, it is literally ludicrous to maintain that the Democratic majority in the House and Senate was the result of fraud. In fact, had the gerrymandering of Congressional districts in several states, including Texas, had not occurred, the Democratic majority in the House would have been larger. It is true that in at least one Congressional District the failure to count some votes almost undoubtedly led to the "wrong' candidate winning. That, however, was Katherine Harris' seat in Florida that went to a Republican candidate by 324 votes while over 18,000 votes in Democratic precincts were inexplicably "blank" in that race.

hobo · #9 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 09:26 AM

This story that the 2004 Ohio elections were rigged has been floating around for some time now. Shortly after the election, I was following a forum where one of the participants was actually an election monitor. He claimed many of the digital voting machines were not recording the votes for Kerry, but instead changed the vote to support Bush. He was saying other monitors were complaining about the poor performance of the machines as well, but were escorted into a private room by some not too friendly guys.

At the time, it all sounded like BS to me, and I haven't really followed the gossip since then. I get bored quickly with political conspiracy theories. But for someone to actually get convicted adds a lot of credence to the stories of those who are claiming the election was "rigged".

I would not expect the prosecutor in the case would try to go after some lofty charges, such as criminal intent in the first case. I can imagine it is a hard position for a prosecutor to stick his nose into this bee hive of political mudslinging. However, just to get a conviction on the most minor count probably means we are just starting to see this conspiracy begin to unravel. Whether or not we will ever know if some big fish are involved in vote fraud remains to be seen.

goldendog · #10 (**permalink**) 06-03-2007, 10:02 AM

House Judiciary Chair Tells Palast in Interview: 'We're Not Through With Griffin by Any Means'
Indicates Caging Operation Could Not Have Been Done Without Knowledge of Rove, According to Palast Team...

As reported previously, investigative journalist Greg Palast was scheduled to meet with John Conyers this evening for an on-camera interview for the BBC. His team, just out from the interview, sends this dispatch to The BRAD BLOG...

Rove Pick for US Attorney Resigns After Conyers Seeks Evidence from BBC

Tim Griffin, formerly right hand man to Karl Rove, resigned Thursday as US Attorney for Arkansas hours after BBC Television 'Newsnight' reported that Congressman John Conyers requested the network's evidence on Griffin's involvement in 'caging voters.' Greg Palast, reporting for both BBC Newsnight and Democracy Now, obtained a series of confidential emails dating from the 2004 presidential election in which the GOP operative transmitted so-called 'caging lists' of voters to state party leaders.

Experts have concluded the caging lists were designed for a mass challenge voters right to cast ballots. The caging lists were heavily weighted with minority voters including African-American homeless men, students and soldiers sent overseas.

Conyers, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee investigating the firing of US Attorneys, met Thursday evening in New York with Palast. After reviewing key documents, Conyers stated that, despite Griffin's resignation, "we're not through with him by any means."

Conyers indicated that he thought it unlikely that Griffin could carry out this massive 'caging' operation without the knowledge of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Rove.

Griffin, who was chosen as US Attorney at Rove's request, has not responded to requests by BBC to explain the 'caging' memos.

For more on the caging lists, see Palast's BRAD BLOG Exclusive from last week, just after Monica Goodling's stunning admissions concerning vote caging allegations about Griffin in her House Judiciary Committee testimony.

Also see our coverage of Slate's article late this afternoon as they become the first MSM-ish outlet to give a serious look at Goodling's overlooked-by-the-MSM, yet bombshell statement.

Palast first reported on the emails from Griffin containing vote caging lists for BBC's Newsnight, prior to the 2004 Presidential Election.