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Old 06-14-2007, 01:53 PM
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Can anyone name ONE Sharia law country where human rights, commerce, and sports (3 examples I could think of) are/were being excelled at? I've never seen it happen.

Instead, terrorism, civil-unrest, lack of religious freedoms, totalitarianism, poverty, abuse of women, and abuse of homosexuals seem to be what is being excelled at in those countries.

But, as always, shouldn't we blame someone else, such as the Jews, for all that!?
/sarcasm off.

Muslims themselves are usually very good people, but I think that SHARIA LAW stinks (it smells like "Shiite".)

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Old 06-14-2007, 03:14 PM
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I absolutely second what all you said and think it is the world's biggest menace and a very scarey one. I am forever grateful I wasn't born in a muslim country and especially as a woman.
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Can anyone name ONE Sharia law country where human rights, commerce, and sports (3 examples I could think of) are/were being excelled at? I've never seen it happen.
The hidden assumption in your question is in error.
Countries that hold to Sharia eschew secular ideas like human rights, commerce and sports.
They believe that Islamic (Sharia) law is the only valid moral guidance for man.
This impulse is comparable to the early settlers of the English colonies here in the New World.

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Old 06-15-2007, 07:16 AM
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Can anyone name ONE Sharia law country where human rights, commerce, and sports (3 examples I could think of) are/were being excelled at? I've never seen it happen.
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Countries that hold to Sharia eschew secular ideas like human rights, commerce and sports.
They believe that Islamic (Sharia) law is the only valid moral guidance for man.

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I think apot's point was that you have a false causation link.

In addition, your question is complicated by the fact that many countries with Sharia law either have it only in parts of the country (Nigeria, for example) or the sharia courts only have limited jurisidiction (usually over marriage and inheritance, as in most of North Africa and the Middle East) or it only applies to Muslims, with separate, secular courts for nonMuslims (Malaysia, for example). So how do you describe those countries?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theissues/...777972,00.html

If you define sharia countries as "any country with elements of sharia within its legal system", then there are several countries with strong sports, human rights and commercial records -- though IMO that's despite sharia, not because of it.

All that said, if you're looking for people who will defend sharia law, you've come to the wrong place.
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Raytri: I would describe those countries as similar to the USA when we were very backwards because we had "separate but equal", and "coloreds only", and "whites only" drinking fountains, etc. Those countries are similar to the Apartheid regime in South Africa. I bet they have segregated schools (Muslims/non-Muslims having separate schools, to some degree.)

Try buiding a church in a country where Sharia has much sway.

At www.faithfreedom.org I read about that women who converted out of Islam recently, in Malaysia, who had custody of her children TAKEN AWAY from her! I can't remember if it's because she's now simply deemed "insane" (what sane person would leave Islam, after all!!), or because of the belief that a converted mother would certainly try to convert her kids out of Islam, and a torturer who lived 1400 years ago said that that is a terrible crime.

But I agree with you that Sharia is not always an all-or-nothing proposition, in reality.
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raytri: remember, a main goal of Mohammad's and the Islamic texts (Koran 9:29 for example) is to subject the non-Muslim to "Dhimmi" status....where the non-Muslims are clearly treated SEPARATELY from the Muslims, and have an inferior status to the Muslim (of course.) "Separate but unequal" is basically what it traditionally has entailed.

Google "Dhimmi", folks, and after you've researched it you'll start to get a flavor of what Mohammad had in mind for you non-Muslims....and it ain't a pretty sight, having to cow to your superior Muslim masters. Not something a freedomseeker wants!

It's arguably on the same level as Apartheid, but religion-based.

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Can anyone name ONE Sharia law country where human rights, commerce, and sports (3 examples I could think of) are/were being excelled at? I've never seen it happen.
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Countries that hold to Sharia eschew secular ideas like human rights, commerce and sports.
They believe that Islamic (Sharia) law is the only valid moral guidance for man.

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Thanks for helping me prove my point.
I didn't.
I deconstructed your argument by exposing its faulty premise.

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