Because it is relevant in this context. He is trying to apply attrocities to a specific religion. Why should Christianity be immune? There are Christians today, in America (for example), that advocate the execution of homosexuals. BFD.

You want us to single out Islamic extremes while ignoring Christian ones?

...or at least someone's interpretation of it.

If there were not differences in interpretation, there would not be different sects of the religion. That seems obvious to me.

If it is subject to interpretation, then it stands to reason that there may be a lot of people that do not agree with this particular interpretation.

But why would that matter? After all, the KKK's interpretation MUST be benign, because there are no Christian extremists anymore, right?

I have seen no evidence that a substantial number of Muslims support Sharia law TODAY either. The nations that have sharia law are (without exception as far as I know) non-democratic. You are jumping to the conclusion that everyone in those nations supports these brutal practices TODAY, when you really have no way of knowing that.

All you can know for sure is that the governments in control of those people support these practices TODAY. Thats it. Thats all you can prove.

And even if you could prove that they support it, they only represent a fraction of the worldwide Muslim population anyway.

So please avoid projecting your opinion as fact like some bedwetting liberal. Until you ask them you have no way of knowing what they do and do not support.

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He’s trying to recognize atrocities committed in the name of religion and/or a religious based governments that are occurring TODAY (which is why he “caps” it).

The tiny, almost insignificant minority of American Christians who want homosexuals executed have absolutely no power. Sharia law is a national mandate. If you cannot see the difference in influence, I’ll equate that logical fallacy to your comparing modern day Islamic societies with Christian ones.

I can only form my opinion based off of previous Muslim reactions to various situations. Draw a cartoon of their beloved Prophet...and you get world-wide Muslim condemnation, millions of protesters all over the globe, murders, riots, death threats, etc...

Beyond the limited freedoms that women have in Sharia law that FreedomSeeker has pointed out (and that all of us constantly read, see and hear about)...there are mountains of other injustices safely protected with a disguise of religion, religious based governments, and moral relativism.


Yes, and it is unfortunate that brutal practices, such as this, are only coming from Islamic based governments....TODAY.

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He didnt use religion in general, he singled out Islam specifically. He used the term "Muslim law".

They are not only coming from Islamic based governments. North Korea is executing people over Cell Phones. It has it's own thread because it's so outrageous.

The author is, IMO, attempting to villify Islam in general based on the brutal practices of a few non-democracies that use Islam as a tool to maintain their power. These few non-democracies do not represent all Muslims or Islam in general, any more than the Insquisition or the KKK represents Christians in general.

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I rarely agree with Sadistic-Savior
That's what keep the debates here interesting LOL
The author that created this thread has started two other topics where the question is so one sided that it is not even debatable.
I agree that the author is simply trying to pick apart the Islam faith.
America is allies with Japan and many Asian countries.
How barbaric are some of the Asian punishments in 2007?
Personally, I think some of the "civilized" punishments do little to deter crime.
Look at the punishments child molesters still get in America.
How does Islam or Asians punish child molesters?
Is child molesting a problem in those countries or does the punishment act as a deterrent?
Yes, some of the Islamic rules are barbaric.
But is does not give us a way to debate it here when you give totally one sided questions.
Watch Lou Dobbs on CNN.
His poll questions are worded the same what as the guy that started this thread.
No wonder Lou gets 95%+ on his questions.
It's the way he words the question.
It's like saying;
"Is child molesting wrong?"
Duh? Questions like that doesn't leave much to debate does it?
Unless, of course you are a child molester.

The funny thing about this is that this is basically the same tactic that Muslim extremists use to drum up anti-Western hatred. Our treatment of women is seen as a vast crime to Muslims (and Christians come to think of it).

Religious hate is getting kind of old. It's a cheap tactic and I think it points to a weak logical position.

Look in the Bible that the Americans believe and see how many "sins" are punish about by DEATH.
The person that started this thread seem to think the Islamic faith is the only religion that has flawed verses in their Bible.
If we criticize one religion's Bible, we should be ready to defend out own.

You are right, Daybreaker, religious hate is old and weak to justify your own hate.
To bad the author if this thread can not see what you, I and many other's see.

Sounds like you are promoting some kind of religious equvalency. All religions are equal, whether it be Christianity, Hedonism, Atheism or Satanism. I find nothing wrong with hating religions, such as radical Islam, that are clearly evil.

Again look in your Holy (Christian) Bible and see what justified putting someone to Death.
If one religion is clearly evil based on their Bible, so is the Christian Bible.
Daybreaker was pointing out that all religions can be subject to interpretation.
Christians are the ones that believe they are the only ones going to Heaven.
That is their "Belief."
Prove one religion is right over another.
I agree Islam has some "Evil" if you interpret it that was.
You can say the same about the Christian Bible.
The Christian Bible says the Jews are "God's chosen people."
What does that make the rest of the world?
Evil?
by someone's lame weak interpretations?

Been there done that. The Christian position is actually that we all deserve death, every one of us including me. God has made a way that we may conquer death.


No it isn't.


Daybreaker was suggesting we should never condemn a religion even though many religions are worthy of condemnation:

"Religious hate is getting kind of old. It's a cheap tactic "

You certainly have no problem condemning Christianity.


Actually their belief is that we are dead in our sins, but any may receive God's free gift of eternal life.


I suggest you look for an empty grave.


You can say the same about some sects who claim to follow the Bible, such as the KKK, but not about the Bible.


The Jews were God's chosen people and the rest of the world was in darkness. The Jews entered this covenant via circumcision. A person could enter into God's covenant or reject it regardless of ancestory. Under the New Covenant it requires a circumcision of the heart to enter into this covenant relationship and to become one of God's chosen people.


I stand by my position that some relgions, such as the KKK relious sect and the human sacrificing Aztec religion, are clearly evil and worthy of condemnation. All religion is not the same.

I know the Christian Bible better than most, because I am a Christian.
I understand what you are saying.
What I'm saying is people pick a couple of things out of the Islam bible and blow it all out of context.
Same can be done with the Christian Bible.
Most likely, the author of this thread has never talked with person of the Muslim faith.
People criticize Christianity because they don't take the time to understand it.
Until you take with Muslims and ask for their interpretations, you will never get a true picture of that faith.
Their are just as many Christian Radicals and there are Muslim Radicals.
Stop judging based on what a few radicals say and when they take a couple of verses out of context.