My son is over in Iraq, as I have said this in many other
posts already.

You people are o.k. with 40 - 50 deaths/day of people you don't care about.

Because Americans believe that democracy and freedom don't come free.
and that these things are worth dieing for. "Give me Liberty or Give me Death"

If you would not die for freedom, then you are the scum of this planet.
because you have made others die for your freedoms.

Tell me, if the same things were going on in America and 40-50 Americans were dying everyday because an invading country plunged your country into a civil war, would you say those lives are insignificant compared to old age and traffic deaths?

Like I said above, those lives are not insignificant they are the important
lives that DID MORE then you. You forget, we had our own civil war so
we know what the cost of freedom is worth. remember, freedom is built
on those who died for it. it does not come free. only to those like you who
think it should come free, because you make others pay the cost.

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

Gee, why not tell us what "you think" instead of posting a 1 line cheap shot.
Tell us how you feel about the over 1 MILLION Iraqis that had to flee Iraq and become refugees.
Some here think they should go back to rebuild their country.

Sure the almighty American military can not make one place in Iraq safe with all their military power yet they expect women and children go back into a country that is in the middle of a civil war.

Tell us how you really think.

Nobody's holding a gun to our troops' heads. They go on their own free will, and that makes your statement false. "you have made others die for your freedoms" Nobody made anybody do anything.
No, they are significant. But thank you as well, for telling me what I think.

You are comparing your American civil war to what is going on in Iraq?
Your civil war was not about choosing democracy over dictatorship.
Your civil war was not started by another country.
Your civil war did not have Canada or Mexico interfering like the other Middle East countries are doing in Iraq.
Your civil war was not started by an outside country bring their fight with terrorist to your country.
Your civil war was not about another country using your country to fight a "global war on terror"

The Iraqi people had NOTHING to do with terrorism.
Your terrorist enemies were NOT in Iraq before the war.

Your civil war did not have 40 - 50 people dying by random suicide bombing.
Your civil war did not have other countries involved in it.
Your civil war was not about Freedom and Democracy of the entire country.
At no time was their ever a threat of the US falling under a dictatorship.
You civil war was not started by false assumptions by another country. (like WMDs)
Your civil war had clear enemies to fight.
You did not have soldiers from other countries kicking in doors randomly looking for terrorists from other countries.
You had safe cities for your citizens to live during your civil war.
You did not have over a million Americans fleeing to Canada or Mexico because America was not a safe place to live.

So, you really can not compare the American civil war to what is going on in Iraq.

Its not a cheap shot, its true.
I feel that's terrible. But I understand that war is bad, and that the things that come of it are going to be bad. Therefore by knowing that beforehand I don't do anything stupid like blaming the government for deaths that were inevitable, once the war has started. Especially all of those politicians that supported the war to start with, then complain "oh so many died. Its Bushes fault." Its pretty sad how some people who like to sound sympathetic go by the name "liberal," but really just have self afflicting beliefs, and are not that sympathetic-- just well-- ahhh you get my point.
My opinion is simple. The outcome of war is devastating, but necessary because any solution we would make other that staying in Iraq would have Iran take over Iraq. The outcome of which would end a lot more disastrous than fighting a war in a distant country.

We were talking about Percentage's, I think you should relook
over the amount that died in that civil war.

Your civil war was not about Freedom and Democracy of the entire country.

It was too about Freedom and Democracy of the entire country.
for one, it was about freedom and it effected the whole country
because if we allowed slavery of any race then it would not really
be a true Democracy, and any race there for could have been deemed
worthy of being in slaved. So we fought for ALL people of all races
to be free in this Democracy.

It took years after that war and still going, for us to stomp out our own
European ways. after all, we may have come from Europe, we are not
Europeans.

I guess this is why you don't really have a true Democracy, this is why
you live in a socialist country. and the idea of any form of freedom flees
your thought if it's not about some foreign invasion.

No wonder you can't see yourself freeing any people, because you don't
know what true freedom is, and what it's worth. and like I said, scum is
scum, and people who don't care about other people are scum in my book.

My son was raised right, that's why he choose on his own to go fight for
other peoples freedoms, because in his short time of living, he has learned
how important freedom is, and shows this in his actions. I myself did not
raise scum.

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

Nice little speech.

You want to tell me how Canada is a "socialist country."
I love how people pull those statements out of their buts and try to pass them off as truth.

You only took one line from my reply and based an entire little freedom speech around it.
Again, your country was already in a democracy.
Your country was not under a dictatorship.

You are trying to say that your son is fighting for freedom for the Iraqi people.
Again, that was not the reasons for this war.
You are trying to say this war is about freeing the Iraqi people.

If that was true, why didn't the USA free the Iraqi people during the first Gulf war?
There are many countries under dictatorships around the world and the US has done ZERO to help those people.
China is under a dictatorship and the USA is trading with them.
Is there a different types of dictatorships that is acceptable to the USA?

Can anyone tell me if their are more Free countries around the world than dictatorship?
How many countries have dictatorships?
How many countries have democracies?

How many dictatorships does the USA trade with?

Saddam was once acceptable to the USA when they supported his war with Iran.
Now, thanks to the US taking out Saddam, Iran can sit back and wait for the US to finally give up and then walk in and take over Iraq without much blood shed.

Again, I proved to you that you can not compare Americans fight for freedom and independence to that of Iraq.
The civil war was not about Freedom from a dictator ruling your country.

Go back and read my post.
Try and counter the rest of my points when I compared your civil war to Iraq.

Your son "was raised right, that's why he choose on his own to go fight for other peoples freedoms"

If you told your son that line of BS for his reason to go to Iraq, you lied to your son.
This war was NOT started to fight for the "Freedom of the Iraqi People."

Your son "was raised right, that's why he choose on his own to go fight for other peoples freedoms"
If you told your son that line of BS for his reason to go to Iraq, you lied to your son.
This war was NOT started to fight for the "Freedom of the Iraqi People."



When I asked my son why he wanted to go to Iraq, he told me in
his own words. he said he hated Saddam more because of what he
did to his people, not so much the dam WMD crap.

You want to tell me how Canada is a "socialist country."

just a few ways, to keep it short. Look what Canadians get if they
can't work, and look at the sloppy medical they get free, and have to
go by the goverment rules to get it. the list goes on really.
you have also had your freedom to bare arms striped from you.

No matter how you twist it, it's about the Iraqi's freedoms, after all you
yourself say there was no WMD. So what you must admit is that you
can't get that WMD out of your Aruss long enough to see other peoples
freedoms. look at it this way, my son was in from the first day, yet even
without finding WMD, he feels he helped to free the Iraqi's from Saddam.

his goal is more honerable in this world, then your dislike for people because
they are Americans. I am truly proud of my son, and I am also truly glad
that Europe or Canada is not the super power, because if I was an Iraqi
and had lossers like you to help me, I would be screwed. because it's your
own actions that show who you are and where your from.

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

WMDs were the main reason to start this war.
People like you don't like being reminded of that FACT
It had NOTHING to do with Liberating Iraqi people.
You people only came up with that excuse AFTER no WMDs were found

You started this war on the sole basis as Saddam's WMDs program was a direct and immediate threat to the USA.
If you had the reasons of "Liberation" like to want us to believe, most of the free world including Canada would have join America just like they did during the first Gulf war and just like they supported the Afghan war.

So, why didn't most of the free world join America and Britain if your cause for the Iraq war was such a morally right cause?
You even admitted it.
It was because of America's hate for Saddam.
If it was more than that, you would have gone in long before 9/11.
Bush Sr. would have carried on into Iraq after liberating Kuwait.
Your new excuses for going to Iraq are only believable to people like you that can not accept the facts that it was wrong to go into Iraq when you did.

No Terrorists were in Iraq BEFORE you destroyed Iraq's defenses.
No WMDs were ever found.
You barely have a case that Saddam even supported terrorism.
1 case you found were Saddam paid $25,000 to the family of a suicide bomber.
Even with that he did not pay it directly to the terrorists, he paid it to the families.
No connection between Saddam and 9/11

Your new excuses are not being accepted around the world.
If the were, the world would be offering their military support to help clean up the mess America starting in Iraq.
The world is not looking at your soldiers as "Honourable men" fighting a just cause.
You are the only people that think that.
From the stories of your own soldiers coming back, they don't even think it's an honourable war either.
Try listening to your own people for a change.
This war has split your country right down the middle.
There are more of your own people deciding that the reason you went to war was wrong.
People like you are slowly becoming the minority in your own country.




Now let's look at what you said about Canada.
Hmm Right to carry guns.
Ya I can see how that is working so well for your country.
We can carry rifles for hunting and protection if needed.
We just don't need to carry hand guns.

Looking at all the killing your people are doing to themselves with hand guns, I don't see the need for carrying a hand gun.
We may have Gun control but at lat we don't have students being able to go to a local store with a minimum background check and buy a gun to kill fellow students.
Ya your right to carry guns is working so well in your country.

As far as our health care, gee America seems to be the only country that feels it is right to charge people to save their lives.
Oh you will save their lives so you can send them an over priced bill afterwards.
How many Americans have lost their homes in order to pay a medical bill?
Ya I can see how your health care is so much better than ours.
I didn't even have to watch that movie "Sicko" to know your health care system sucks.

None of your reasons proved Canada is a Socialist country.
Maybe you should look up exactly what a socialist country is before you start flippantly making false judgements.
I'm still waiting for you to dispute what I said about how you compare the Iraq war to your American civil war.
Another comparison you failed to prove.

I'm still waiting for you to dispute what I said about how you compare the Iraq war to your American civil war.
Another comparison you failed to prove.

I did, but your mind is closed. you have prove that you really
do not comprehend freedoms. so it is futile for me to try, right?

WMDs were the main reason to start this war.
People like you don't like being reminded of that FACT

WRONG AGAIN. you need to think back my boy. Saddam was up on
charges of violating resolutions 12 to be exact. the WMD was
the possibility that was a fear, and he played with fire by
playing into our fears, when he would always stall or he ha
around before letting us in an area we chose, which made him
look even more guilty. he played with fire and got burned. it was
all about the resolutions he violated. you just got stuck on WMD
in your head, and forgot all the rest of the story and events that
really let to it.

Saddam had no WMD, because we now know this, Dam your looking bad
about all this because you lied and said I "don't like being reminded of that FACT"

No connection between Saddam and 9/11

I know that, and so does the world. so whats
that have to do with us being in Iraq?
again, I remind you that Saddam was in trouble for thumbing
his nose at resolutions that called for action if he did not
comply, he played with fire and got burned.

Looking at all the killing your people are doing to themselves with hand guns, I don't see the need for carrying a hand gun.

You make it sound like that's everyone LOL This is what makes you a none American.
You see, I read all about your own country's crimes and the rate is high as is in
other country's, but, you can't defend your own family from a thug, who by the way
will get hold of a gun anyways. Our gun problem is only with gangs and miss raised
kids.

I didn't even have to watch that movie "Sicko" to know your health care system sucks.

It sucks to you, because it's not free. yep, in order to get the best medical in the world
one must be willing to pay for the best. cheap like yours comes FREE.

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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson