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Old 07-01-2004, 01:26 PM
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the 'representatives' in DC have worked with powerful businessmen to change the laws to favor them and screw the powerless public since government was invented. only laws that keep us working and making money for the government/corporate economy are promoted. any party related change is simply one gang trying to get more marbles for their side. do we still think any of these people in DC really care about regular people? it's politics; the fight for power using deception and control. we are the victims always. stop listening to the idiots in the news.
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I believe a close look at the votes will show which way Kerry would have voted. Do you think that if there was a crucial vote, he would not go to Washington? His last trip was to vote on Veterans Benefits. What happened? It was "conveniently" postponed.

I was a little amused at his "whining" afterwards because a Dem Senate would have pulled the same trick but certainly if the vote is close, I am sure his fellow Senator from MA will alert him.

Its a little unfair to pick on him because he is running for POTUS and you obviously do not support him. Pick at his policies, disagree with his stances but do not imply that he is so irresponsible he does not care for his state. 20 years in the Senate is an admirable thing.

After all, they are all "politicians"!!
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[sarcasm]Making a law for political gain? I swear, this must be a first in America! I can't believe politicians would ever do such a thing! They always represent the people, not their best interests.[/sarcasm]
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I believe a close look at the votes will show which way Kerry would have voted. Do you think that if there was a crucial vote, he would not go to Washington? His last trip was to vote on Veterans Benefits. What happened? It was "conveniently" postponed.

I was a little amused at his "whining" afterwards because a Dem Senate would have pulled the same trick but certainly if the vote is close, I am sure his fellow Senator from MA will alert him.

Its a little unfair to pick on him because he is running for POTUS and you obviously do not support him. Pick at his policies, disagree with his stances but do not imply that he is so irresponsible he does not care for his state. 20 years in the Senate is an admirable thing.

After all, they are all "politicians"!!
this is a separate issue from Kerry's policies, this is grounds for incompetance, regardless of his policies. the fact is, he is not doing his job! That is unacceptable no matter what his position is! It may not mean much to someone outside of Massachusetts, but to a Mass resident, why should we put up with someone not doing their job when we are paying taxes for it?

and to answer your question, he absolutely has missed crucial votes. Let me fill you in....

this taken from a 6-15 article from the Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...resign?mode=PF
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Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey.... said Kerry has missed 64 percent of last year's roll call votes and 87 percent this year, including a vote on banning Internet child pornography.
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http://news.bostonherald.com/localRe...=31981&format=
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He also missed a vote on extending unemployment insurance benefits, which was defeated by one vote.
Bottom line, Kerry is not doing his job. This cannot be argued against.
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I cannot dispute your facts or reasoning, especially because you as a resident is in a much better position than I am. I just think you are being too harsh on the issue. I don't believe you would be this critical if your Senator was a Republican.
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I cannot dispute your facts or reasoning, especially because you as a resident is in a much better position than I am. I just think you are being too harsh on the issue. I don't believe you would be this critical if your Senator was a Republican.
of whether I would be as harsh if my senator was a Republican, the facts remain that while John Kerry has not stepped down from his senate seat, the people of Massachusetts are not being represented. Not only so, when Dole ran for President, he gave up his senate seat, because he would no longer be able to do the job. I expect the same kind of decency from Kerry. I think these kinds of issues can get neglected often times, and it is not right. This really goes beyond politics.
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The esteemed Senator from Connecticut did NOT give up his seat to run for VP with Al Gore. Granted, he was present for more votes than Kerry was but I don't recall anyone asking him to step down. Is the difference then how many times one shows up to vote in the Senate? I am sure if one goes back into history, you will find a number of unsuccessful Senators who ran for President or Vice President and in doing so, skipped several votes.

And this IS about politics!! Everything about this issue is POLITICS.
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The esteemed Senator from Connecticut did NOT give up his seat to run for VP with Al Gore. Granted, he was present for more votes than Kerry was but I don't recall anyone asking him to step down. Is the difference then how many times one shows up to vote in the Senate? I am sure if one goes back into history, you will find a number of unsuccessful Senators who ran for President or Vice President and in doing so, skipped several votes.

And this IS about politics!! Everything about this issue is POLITICS.
when you don't show up for 87% of the votes, you just aren't doing your job. In the workforce, you would be fired for such an offense. Lieberman actually showed up to vote, unlike Kerry, which is why he wasn't asked to step down. Dole know he wouldn't be able to do his duty as a senator, which is why he did step down.

We need to have some guidelines, even for people holding political offices. I know that we don't have much respect for these people, but come on!
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TB, I would encourage you to please stay on topic.
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