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Old 07-01-2004, 01:12 PM
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CNN) -- A state court judge in Florida ordered Thursday that the board of elections immediately release a list of nearly 50,000 suspected felons to CNN and other news organizations that last month sued the state for access to copies of the list.

The list is used to determine who will be eligible to vote in November's presidential election in the state.

In a statement issued shortly after the ruling was announced, Secretary of State Glenda Hood accepted the ruling as final.

"Now that the court has ruled that statute to be unconstitutional, we will make these records accessible to all interested parties," she said.

Florida bars people convicted of felonies in that state from voting.

In 2000, a similar list was the center of controversy when state officials acknowledged after the election that it contained thousands of names in error, thus barring eligible people from voting.

Many of the barred voters were African-Americans, who traditionally tend to vote Democratic.

Bush won the state by a 537-vote margin and, with it, the presidency.

The lawsuit, filed by CNN and joined by other news organizations, challenged a 2001 statute passed by the Republican-controlled legislature that limited the public's access to the list.

News organizations were allowed to inspect the list, but not make copies of it or take notes from it. (CNN asks Florida court for ineligible voters list)

"The right to inspect without the right to copy is an empty right indeed," said Leon County Circuit Judge Nikki Clark, in her six-page order.

"Whether the public chooses to inspect or copy [the list] is not the choice of the governmental agency which has custody of the record. It is the choice of the person who has requested access."

The judge went on to declare the statute unconstitutional because it failed to comply with a constitutional amendment guaranteeing public access to the state's public records.

The state has a right to an automatic 48-hour stay, if its lawyers appeal.

They would have to show cause why the information should continue to be withheld, said Tampa attorney Gregg D. Thomas of the law firm Holland & Knight, which is representing the news organizations.

"I think the long-term impact is that the citizens of Florida will have access to the interactions of their government to make sure that the government, particularly with regard to the right to vote, is conducting itself appropriately."

The list contains the names of 47,763 suspected felons.

The voter-exclusion list was compiled from state clemency reports, lists of felons and other databases, Thomas said.

The ACLU applauded the decision.

"This is good news for voters because now these records will be open and available for public inspection to help protect the right of every eligible voter in Florida," said Howard Simon, executive director of the ACLU of Florida, which also joined the case. "Our interest in this case is to analyze the information on the list to prevent eligible voters from being wrongfully purged from the rolls."

Miami lawyer Joseph Klock Jr., representing the state, did not return a call Thursday.


This is great!! Now we get to see all those individuals that were disenfranshised. I am almost certain there will be more than 597.!!
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Old 07-01-2004, 01:48 PM
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Hmmm. IF I were someone who had a felony in my past, I sure as heck wouldn't want it released to the media! Geez, they could print the names. What is someone has a job and their employer doesn't know they had a felon on their record way back in the past? Don't you think some of these people whose names are on the list mght have the right to sue? I mean, it's one thing for the election officials to have such a list that they use for purposes of who can and who cannot vote (it's Florida law that felons cannot vote). But it's entirely a separate issue for the media to get it for political purposes.
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Old 07-01-2004, 02:06 PM
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Default GOOD POINT

You do raise a good point about Privacy. But how else do you appraoch this issue As a Florida resident I was right in the middle of that fiasco. I actually know someone who was turned away at the polls that day.

Prior to today, Jeb refused the news organizations to get copies of the lists. One organization wanted to take it upon themselves to contact each individual to verify and also protect their identity but they were stone walled. So it has built up to this crescendo and we knew it was going to happen, sooner than later.
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though I must say, just because 50,000 criminals were turned down, does not mean that Gore would have won had they been able to vote. At least some of them would have voted for Bush, not all convicts are black. And those who are black, what's to say that 100% of them would have voted anyways? I hate dealing with hypotheticals, because you can never know for sure what would have happened.
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Default Yea right

I wonder how you would feel if you were wrongfully denied the right to vote.

The Florida voting commision, controlled by Bush's florida campaign manager, is a disgrace. If they had not wrongfully purged thousands and thousands of voters in 2000, then this would not be an issue.

But after their underhanded, and intentional, exercise to purdge likely democratic voters from the election roles, their should be no allowance for "secret voter purges"
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I agree that even if those "mistaken" for felons had voted, it would not guarantee a win for Gore. What makes it so dubious is that a good percentage are black, these problems occured in mainly black communities and they overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

Using that, it will be a very good guess but certainly far from a guarantee. But it seems to be "6 in one hand and 1/2 dozen in another". Maybe going public with the list will trigger something that looks at the laws on ex-felons anyway.
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