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  1. Angry States Giving Gun Rights to Felons

    It was the first homicide in more than 30 years in the small town of Endicott, in eastern Washington. But for a judge’s ruling two months before, it would probably never have happened.

    For years, Mr. Zettergren had been barred from possessing firearms because of two felony convictions. He had a history of mental health problems and friends said he was dangerous. Yet Mr. Zettergren’s gun rights were restored without even a hearing, under a state law that gave the judge no leeway to deny the application as long as certain basic requirements had been met. Mr. Zettergren, then 36, wasted no time retrieving several guns he had given to a friend for safekeeping.

    “If he hadn’t had his rights restored, in this particular instance, it probably would have saved the life of the other person,” said Denis Tracy, the prosecutor in Whitman County, who handled the murder case.

    Under federal law, people with felony convictions forfeit their right to bear arms. Yet every year, thousands of felons across the country have those rights reinstated, often with little or no review. In several states, they include people convicted of violent crimes, including first-degree murder and manslaughter, an examination by The New York Times has found.

    While previously a small number of felons were able to reclaim their gun rights, the process became commonplace in many states in the late 1980s, after Congress started allowing state laws to dictate these reinstatements — part of an overhaul of federal gun laws orchestrated by the National Rifle Association. The restoration movement has gathered force in recent years, as gun rights advocates have sought to capitalize on the 2008 Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to bear arms.

    This gradual pulling back of what many Americans have unquestioningly assumed was a blanket prohibition has drawn relatively little public notice. Indeed, state law enforcement agencies have scant information, if any, on which felons are getting their gun rights back, let alone how many have gone on to commit new crimes.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us...un-rights.html

    This is one example where the conservative philosophy of individual states rights has completely dropped the ball and a perfect example of why we need 1 uniform federal standard to approaching the rights of felons to get access to guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasein View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us...un-rights.html

    This is one example where the conservative philosophy of individual states rights has completely dropped the ball and a perfect example of why we need 1 uniform federal standard to approaching the rights of felons to get access to guns.
    Dasein, it's a moot point because you believe all power resides with the elites in Washington or should. The article had precious little substantive information and is a great example of using one isolated case to try and mount a universal argument. Pitiful but it is the NYT. One wouldn't expect better, would one?

    Question: Dasein, which citizens should have a right to bear arms?
    Last edited by PatrickT; Nov 15 2011 at 05:19 AM.

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    I agree that it should be universal that felons cannot own or possess firearms...

    Someone definitely dropped the ball here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Really People? View Post
    I agree that it should be universal that felons cannot own or possess firearms...

    Someone definitely dropped the ball here...
    In Chicago, if you accidentally recorded someone, its a felony -- you shouldn't lose your rights for that. In some states, if you had sex when you were 15 and your gf is 14, it was/is a felony. You shouldn't lose your 2nd amendment rights because of certain felonies. Blanket statements suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleison View Post
    In Chicago, if you accidentally recorded someone, its a felony -- you shouldn't lose your rights for that. In some states, if you had sex when you were 15 and your gf is 14, it was/is a felony. You shouldn't lose your 2nd amendment rights because of certain felonies. Blanket statements suck.
    I'm sure that exceptions can be made...

    Anyway, felons shouldn't have guns...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasein View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us...un-rights.html

    This is one example where the conservative philosophy of individual states rights has completely dropped the ball and a perfect example of why we need 1 uniform federal standard to approaching the rights of felons to get access to guns.
    "Erik Zettergren originally lost his gun rights in 1987 because of a felony conviction for dealing marijuana."

    Clearly people who are "dealing marijuana" are violent criminals.
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    While I'm boggled that someone with multiple felony convictions, who friends describe as violent gets his gun rights restored....the bigger part of me wonders how many felony convictions you can get and still be out of jail. Perhaps we need to stop letting them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsited1 View Post
    "Erik Zettergren originally lost his gun rights in 1987 because of a felony conviction for dealing marijuana."

    Clearly people who are "dealing marijuana" are violent criminals.
    That's a whole 'nother conversation there...
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    In California, it is near impossible to get a Concealed Carry Permit. The ruling by the liberal judge that heard the case is that it was alright to deny the permits because.... hey... you can open carry in California. Well... last month the liberals and Jerry Brown passed a new law taking away our rights to open carry.

    Now what?

    They have plenty of background checks. There is no reason why a VIOLENT FELON should be having gun rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Really People? View Post
    I agree that it should be universal that felons cannot own or possess firearms...

    Someone definitely dropped the ball here...
    Now that is really silly. I bet a million $ you don't even know the legal defintion of a felony. It is - "Any crime for which the maximum penalty is a year or more in prison".

    That's an extremely low bar. Many felons never do a day in prison. Should people lose constitutional rights for a crime that minor?

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    Last edited by falena; Nov 15 2011 at 12:48 PM. Reason: Edit insult

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