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FISA has been long over-due for a rehaul. The law was passed in 1978, for heaven's sakes!! Before computers were in every home; before the internet; before disposable cellphones and the like. The technology has long past the 1978 FISA legislation. And it's about time the Congress FINALLY passed it. It's just too bad they made it a temporary 6 month thing. That just won't cut it. It will have to be made permanent---with perhaps even more changes.
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"The Protect America Act Modernizes The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) To Give Intelligence Professionals The Tools They Urgently Need To Gather Information About Our Enemies, While Protecting The Civil Liberties Of Americans. The Act, passed with bipartisan support in the House and the Senate, restores FISA to its original focus on protecting the rights of Americans, while not acting as an obstacle to conducting foreign intelligence surveillance on foreign targets located overseas.
Changes In Technology Since 1978 Had The Effect Of Expanding The Scope Of FISA's Coverage To Include Intelligence Collection Efforts That Congress Excluded From The Law's Requirements. This unintended expansion of FISA's scope meant the government, in a significant number of cases, needed to obtain a court order to collect foreign intelligence information against a target located overseas. This created an unnecessary obstacle to our Intelligence Community's ability to gain real-time information about the intent of our enemies overseas and diverted scarce resources that would be better spent safeguarding the civil liberties of people in the United States, not foreign terrorists who wish to do us harm. The Government Should Not Have To Obtain A Court Order To Conduct Surveillance On Foreign Intelligence Targets Located In Foreign Countries. This was not Congress' intent when it enacted FISA. As the Director of National Intelligence stated, continuing to operate under this outdated law meant our intelligence professionals were "missing a significant amount of foreign intelligence that we should be collecting to protect our country." The Protect America Act Modernizes FISA In Four Important Ways The Act Permits Our Intelligence Professionals To More Effectively Collect Foreign Intelligence Information On Targets In Foreign Lands Without First Receiving Court Approval. The Act clarifies that the definition of electronic surveillance in FISA shall not be construed to encompass surveillance directed at a person reasonably believed to be located outside the U.S. This clarification restores FISA to its original intent and means intelligence professionals will not have to go to court in order to collect foreign intelligence on an overseas target who may be planning to attack the U.S. The Act Provides A Role For The FISA Court In Reviewing The Procedures The Intelligence Community Uses To Ensure That Surveillance Efforts Target Persons Located Overseas. The Attorney General is required to submit to the FISA court the procedures by which intelligence professionals will determine that the authorized acquisitions of foreign intelligence do not constitute electronic surveillance that is, the procedures by which the government determines that the acquisitions are directed at persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States. The Act Provides For The FISA Court To Direct Third Parties To Assist The Intelligence Community In Its Collection Efforts. The Act permits the Director of National Intelligence and the Attorney General to direct third parties to provide the information, facilities, and assistance necessary to conduct surveillance of foreign intelligence targets located overseas. The Act Protects Third Parties From Private Lawsuits Arising From Assistance They Provide The Government. No cause of action may be brought in any court against any person for complying with a directive to provide the Government with all information, facilities, or assistance necessary to accomplish the acquisition of foreign intelligence information. Our Work Is Not Done — This Act Is A Temporary, Narrowly Focused Statute To Deal With The Most Immediate Needs Of The Intelligence Community To Protect The Country. When Congress returns in September, the Intelligence Committees and leaders in both parties will need to complete work on the comprehensive reforms requested by Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, including the important issues of providing meaningful liability protection to those who are alleged to have assisted our Nation following the attacks of September 11, 2001. " http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070806-5.html
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"If the President simply adds a couple of Republican solutions to a trillion dollar health care package that the American people don't support, it isn't bi-partisan. It's political cover," Rep Eric Cantor (R-Va.) |
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You do realize what this means, right?
I mean, these are not just "phone calls" we're talking about. These days, "phone calls" come in many forms - like, there's fiber optics, cell phones, voice over IP, and etc etc - and "some" of those things are treated differently under the law than actual "old-style" phone calls made over land lines. The big joke in the electronics industry, is that it's still "technically illegal" to use any kind of encryption code that the FBI can't break. I mean, it kinda makes me wonder how these guys keep coming up with newer better codes.... 'cause they'd have to break the law to do that, wouldn't they? |
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Bottom line is this: FISA desperately needed up-dating to accomodate these new technologies. It was written back when none of these things existed. It's hard to believe that some cannot understand the necessity.
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Let's inject a little reality into this picture, 'kay? The "technological capability" for eavesdropping has been available since day one, there's nothing new about it. Some of it is even built right into the gigantic telephone switches. The question is, and always has been, whether the government should be allowed to use that capability. But, there's yet another level of reality. 'Cause you and I, with very primitive computer equipment, can tap into peoples' conversations on the internet, and if those discussions happen to use voiceOverIP, well..... I mean, heck, we can even drive around the city with a laptop, and tap into peoples' wireless networks - and the stuff you can find out there, totally unsecured, is amazing - it's like, hospitals, and insurance companies (I mean, places with "confidential personal records", that kind of thing). So, if the government is denied that capability, then basically it means they have a "leg down" on everyone else, and that's probably not acceptable either. But the idea of "warrantless" in "warrantless wiretaps", is probably the other boundary, on the other side of the spectrum of what is "acceptable" in this situation. Because I don't know about you, but I'm not going to let a few terrorist zealots alter the relationship between me and my government - if that relationship changes, it won't be because of anything I'VE agreed to. It seems to me, that this whole issue is really a moot point - I mean, that is to say, in relation to the more global spectrum of issues in the space that is "electronic privacy". The reality in this case, is that the government is probably going to do it anyway, whether or not it's legal. But the real issues, are around what happens "down the line", like when you try to prosecute the people you've arrested this way. 'Cause those prosecutions would never fly in any court of law in the United States, and that's exactly why they don't want to try these people, they'd prefer to designate 'em as "non-lawful combatants" so they can't be held responsible for the "methods" by which they were taken into custody.... What would be fair, it seems to me, is that the government should be held to the same standard now, that it's always been held to. In order to invade someone's privacy, you need "cause" - and you need a warrant. There has to be oversight, that's the way our system is set up - the fundamental assumption being that no one person (any one person) is trustworthy enough to be given absolute power, now or ever. No one has yet convinced me that this "modification" (or "updating" as you say) of the FISA law is ncessary. All I hear is a bunch of right wing fanatics screaming that it is, but no one's telling me WHY. 'Cause like I said, it's not like they "can't" (technologically) do it, so it seems to me that they're just scared of having to be held responsible for their methods. So, before you jump on my case for "not understanding", why don't you take a moment out and explain it to me, in real simple English so a dummy like me can comprehend it..... WHY is warrantless wiretapping necessary? |
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Chertoff can explain it better than me:
" I asked him (Chertoff) why the Bush administration can't comply with the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which allows the government to conduct "emergency" wiretaps for 72 hours. "It's hard to talk about classified stuff," he said, "but suffice it to say that if you have a large volume of data, a large number of (phone) numbers you're intercepting, the typical model for any kind of warrant requires you to establish probable cause (that one party is a foreign agent) on an individual number." FISA warrant applications are inches thick, he said, and "if you're trying to sift through an enormous amount of data very quickly, I think it would be impractical." He said that getting an ordinary FISA warrant is "a voluminous, time-consuming process" and "if you're culling through literally thousands of phone numbers ... you could wind up with a huge problem managing the amount of paper you'd have to generate." What I understood Chertoff to be saying is that when data-mining produces evidence of a terrorist contact, the government will then seek a FISA warrant to actually tap the person's phones or "undertake other kinds of activity in order to disrupt something." As legal authority for the program, Chertoff cited a 2002 decision of the FISA Court of Review, which is one level down from the U.S. Supreme Court, holding that a president has "inherent (constitutional) authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information." http://www.reporter-times.com/?modul...32&format=html So, they DO seek the warrant, but they have to get the information first in order to proceed to that point.
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Well - here's kinda how I "start" when I look at this question - first of all, anyone who makes a terrorist threat against the government of the United States, is fair game - it's the President's job to find and eliminate these people, and that's all good. "HOW" he does that, is really the question, right? So, let's say you're the boss, and you have this super-duper technology at your disposition, and you're trying to protect your people and your nation - do you USE the technology? Of course you do. Of COURSE you do! But you don't tell people about it. You don't get in front of the American People and beg their indulgence while you violate the Constitution and break the law. That, is just stupidity, and that's perfectly consistent where Bush is concerned. That's why we have unnameable three-letter agencies with black budgets and so on - I mean, imagine what would happen if these things were to happen in a REAL time of war, I mean like WW-2 or something. Are you telling me that the President and all his minions are so freakin' incompetent that they can't keep a secret? Like, it's somehow "impossible" to execute a covert operation without leaks? Come on.... sometimes we find out about these things on peoples' deathbeds, like Deep Throat and Irish Tony and all that... Really - think about it. To me, there's only one answer here. They're trying to blame the "liberals" for the leaks, when the truth is that I see incompetence in big red letters written all over the front door of the White House. Mr. President - Dude - if you're going to tap my phone, don't be a dumb freakin' moron and tell me about it. Know what I'm sayin'? I mean, "I" would probably find out about it soon enough, but "most people" aren't capable that way. See what I mean? The political side of this question has nothing to do with "technological capability" - they're asking the American People to bend over while they screw us just an eighth of an inch deeper, and on that, from a political standpoint, there can be only one answer - a resounding NO. These Bush people are the worst form of statists - I mean, it's all too clear what they want, right? |
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