I don't know.... well, okay. But then, why is it a big deal?

I mean, that's pretty close to reality, right? It'll take "a long time" to leave? Even if we started "right now"?

I think, that's why those anti-war guys want to start "right now", isn't it?

Seems to me, that by not hooting and hollering about it, they're doing what both the Republicans and their own Democratic Party have asked them to do, which is to tone down the anti-war rhetoric and get a little closer to reality on that issue.

Seems to me, the issues around the war in Iraq have been adequately exposed to the public at this point, and most of the hype (from both sides) is probably falling on deaf ears these days. Where it still seems to gain occasional traction is in the grey areas, like "is the surge working"? We don't know yet, but everyone seems to have already jumped to a conclusion, one way or the other.

So yeah - I can see how this would be noticeable to somehow who identifies primarily as a political partisan, but I think it's probably an element of the Dems wanting to appear more "electable", and I think it's also an element of the anti-war left "quitting while they're ahead" ('cause the war-mongers have been given more than enough rope to hang themselves, and so far they're doing exactly that, and all the left has to do is wait, and watch while things get worse and worse).

Sorry, but that's reality....

Duh all that I can say about your post is [b]HUH ?????/b]

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"I was born at night, but it was not last night night"

JP, you really have made absolutely no valid point with your post. The reality is that whether someone agrees with the unsound idea of going head first and using your butt for brains regarding the Iraq invasion we all know that logically it will take time to disengage. Our action has caused changes in Iraq be they good or bad which need to to stabliized before we end the lease.

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"I was born at night, but it was not last night night"

Well, bumper sticker messages always oversimplify, don't they? You can only say so much on a bumper sticker. Oddly, the one that says the most is "W".

Of course we'll likely be in Iraq for years, even if we start bringing people home. It's easy to get into a stupid war. It's getting out that's the hard part. And then dealing with the mess you created.

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See y'all after the election. Good luck to whichever Republicrat you are voting for.

The antiwar advocates will have their opportunity to "challenge" such positions. It's called the Democratic Primary, and it's still a year away.

It will take a long time to get out of Bush's war.

Well, the Dem leadership will be happy to know that their 180 degree turn-around on this has you turning in lock-step with them!!

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

We need to put Bush in a padded room with a chalkboard and make him write one billion times, "Oh what tangled webs we weave when our intent is to deceive".
I don't give a hoot or a poot what happens in Iraq if we pull out but the Democrats is saying we have to try to salvage our very damaged image and that is to not leave a mess behind caused by our biggest menace we ever allowed to develop on our soil.
My gosh Bush really got us in a tangled web and he still has idiots so fooled here in America thinking he is great when he is the worse to come along. I used to think that Carter was the worse I seen in my lifetime but GW Bush make Carter seem like a wonderful miracle worker.

Oh wow....YET another one. As you guys make that 180 degree turnaround with your leaders........try not to all bump into each other. I'm sure glad that you've ALL finally seen the light.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/15/wa...erland&emc=rss

How about Michael Moore, do you really need a link showing his qutoes about getting out now? Or the socialist workers? Or voters in Vermont? Many dems did say exactly that. So now the strategy is "oh well, we never really meant it."

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JMS gets another English lesson:

Quote:

there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

The result:

Quote:

By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.