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Mr Kouchner (left) was greeted by his Iraqi counterpart Hoshyar Zebari
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner has arrived in the Iraqi capital Baghdad for a visit at the invitation of the country's president.
The trip marks the first time a French minister has been to Iraq since it opposed the US-led invasion in 2003.

The election in May of Nicolas Sarkozy as French president brought an improvement in relations with the US.

The French Foreign Ministry said Mr Kouchner was in the country to express a "message of solidarity".

The ministry said in a statement: "At the invitation of Mr Jalal Talabani, president of Iraq, the foreign minister has just begun an official visit to Baghdad.

"Bernard Kouchner is in Baghdad to express a French message of solidarity with the Iraqi people and to listen to the representatives of all communities."

'Highly symbolic'

The visit comes four years after the attack on UN headquarters in Baghdad which killed special representative Sergio Vieira de Mello, a personal friend of Mr Kouchner.

The BBC's Mike Wooldridge, in Baghdad, says the visit is highly symbolic and shows Mr Sarkozy wanted to create a "clear divide" between himself and predecessor, Jacques Chirac.

France has hosted several Iraqi leaders and has given its support to the process of political transition.

Mr Sarkozy - who recently had informal talks with US President George Bush - has already said that the US could count on his friendship.

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The talks took place at Mr Bush's family home in the US state of Maine and some observers remarked that it was impossible to imagine Mr Chirac being given a similar invitation.

The two countries are also working together closely on issues involving Iran, Lebanon and Sudan.

Mr Kouchner arrives days after a deadly attack in the country killed hundreds of people.

The BBC's Alasdair Sandford in Paris says the visit illustrates that France intends to establish a stronger presence on the world stage.

In 2003, Mr Kouchner was a rare French voice in refusing to condemn the US-led invasion.

He criticised the French stance and said the French had become "America-phobic".

Although President Sarkozy has described the war as a "mistake", he has also said France acted with "arrogance" in the run-up to it.
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Obviously, France could very well become a valuable ally in the war against terrorism -- i. e. Iran, Syria, Hamas, al Qaeda, and all their cohorts.
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I think its stupid that more countries, specifically major powers like France and Germany, aren't involved militarily in Iraq. Even if they had disagreements about the invasion, that is long ago, the focus now is training the Iraqi military and police and anyone with a modern military and available troops should help do that. Clearly we won't see nothing more than diplomatic gestures like these visits, because French leaders have a nice history of being the pawns of public opinion polls.

Not that it would help if they were militarily involved. We all know from Afghanistan they just sit around and do nothing, while Americans, Canadians, and British soldiers are sacrificing their lives at alarming rates.
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France's foreign minister paid an unannounced and highly symbolic visit to Baghdad on Sunday — the first by a senior French official since the war started and a gesture to the American effort in Iraq after years of icy relations over the U.S.-led invasion. Bernard Kouchner said Paris wanted to "turn the page" and look to the future.

A top American general, meanwhile, said Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard had 50 men training Shiite militiamen in remote camps south of Baghdad.

Kouchner said he was not in Iraq to offer initiatives or proposals but to listen to ideas on how his country might help stop the devastating violence.

"Now we are turning the page. There is a new perspective. We want to talk about the future. Democracy, integrity, sovereignty, reconciliation and stopping the killings. That's my deep aim," Kouchner said in English after meeting with Iraqi Foreign Minister Hosyhar Zebari.

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Sarkozy met with Bush in Kennebunport, I think that's a good sign that they plan to work together more. Plus he made the "even family members disagree" speech. I think the two will try to work together more and have more success as well. Sarkozy strikes me as more amiable in general. Despite Iraq (and the rude Parisians) I hope we do work with them more in the future.
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What does this comment have to do with France showing a sign of reconciliation with the US? And what does your fallacious comment have to do with Iraq? Besides the logical fallacy inherent.
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