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Default N Y City pays parents to do the right thing.

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This coming school year New York City will entice ' parents in low-income hoods more involved in their children's education and overall health. There is more than $40 million (most from libeal Rockefeller Foundation) to pay families for these tasks —"$50 for getting a library card or $100 to take a child to the dentist— " .

You have got to got to be joking!!!! This is a unbelievably disgusting program in that we are removing or letting so called "parents" remoive themselves from their resposibility.

This is the type of stuff that will get us into a decline as a society and nation.

This must be stopped !!!
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Wow, what a wonderfully DEMOCRATIC way of "solving" problems! Let's just throw money at them! I'm sure we can expand on this trite, little list.

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$5.00 for each kid who takes a bath, once a week
50¢ each time the kid brushes his teeth/grillz
$1.00 per kid, who actually shows up for school

This is sickening. Then again...just look who their senator is.
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Default It's a NEW YORK CITY not a NY State program

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Wow, what a wonderfully DEMOCRATIC way of "solving" problems! Let's just throw money at them! I'm sure we can expand on this trite, little list.

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$5.00 for each kid who takes a bath, once a week
50¢ each time the kid brushes his teeth/grillz
$1.00 per kid, who actually shows up for school

This is sickening. Then again...just look who their senator is.
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idea behind Opportunity NYC is called conditional cash transfer, and the program is the first of its kind in this country. It's also the exact opposite of traditional social services for the poor, which hand out money without demanding much in return. In order to find out whether this reversal works, the city is enlisting 5,000 families to take part in the social experiment.
I realize that Queen Hillary the minus 1st is NY's senator but this is a NYCity program and the mayor is Bloomberg the noveau neo Republicain who once was Demoncrat SO WHICH PARTY DO WE BLAME FOR THIS DISPICACITY ???
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Default On the plus side...

1. Bloomberg is using money from his own pocket and funds from the Rockefeller Foundation to fund the project, so it's not coming from the tax payers.

2. The article also states how effective the program has been in other countries in increasing the educational success rate among poor children.

{edit} 3. It's a step up from unconditional welfare programs that ask for nothing in return for handouts.
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1. Bloomberg is using money from his own pocket and funds from the Rockefeller Foundation to fund the project, so it's not coming from the tax payers.

2. The article also states how effective the program has been in other countries in increasing the educational success rate among poor children.

{edit} 3. It's a step up from unconditional welfare programs that ask for nothing in return for handouts.
How is it a step up? A monetary REWARD for basic responsibility? Is THIS what our society has become? We have to actually pay people to take care of their kids? These are people who need to be sterilized, and then have their kids taken away from them (personal view, not political)!

OH, and to kill two birds with one stone,
F100SS, I was somewhat joking about the Hildabeast crack. This is something that both parties want, just like how both parties are aligned on the topic of illegal immigration. They just want us to think they're on different sides. I'll just file this under "reasons why both parties suck."
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3. It's a step up from unconditional welfare programs that ask for nothing in return for handouts.
How is it a step up? A monetary REWARD for basic responsibility?
I think it's pretty obvious why. Conditional handouts if one performs certain responsibilities versus unconditional handouts that a person can get just for sitting on the couch watching TV. See the difference? It's one step better than simply handing out free money.

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You mean charitable and generous?

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Whose the "we" you are referring to? Are you involved with the Rockefeller Foundation? This isn't a public program. It's a private charity organization teaming up with a local billionaire, so "you" and "your" money have nothing to do with it.

Besides, I thought this was the kind of thing conservatives want. They always say the government is too inefficient to handle welfare programs, and that the poor would be better served by private charities, the way it had been before the creation of public welfare programs.

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Default monetary REWARD for [i]basic[/i] responsibility?

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1. Bloomberg is using money from his own pocket and funds from the Rockefeller Foundation to fund the project, so it's not coming from the tax payers.

2. The article also states how effective the program has been in other countries in increasing the educational success rate among poor children.

{edit} 3. It's a step up from unconditional welfare programs that ask for nothing in return for handouts.
How is it a step up? A monetary REWARD for basic responsibility? Is THIS what our society has become? We have to actually pay people to take care of their kids? These are people who need to be sterilized, and then have their kids taken away from them (personal view, not political)!

OH, and to kill two birds with one stone,
F100SS, I was somewhat joking about the Hildabeast crack. This is something that both parties want, just like how both parties are aligned on the topic of illegal immigration. They just want us to think they're on different sides. I'll just file this under "reasons why both parties suck."
I understand you now Boogie. I also agree that both parties inhale vigorously like a VACUUM CLEANER.

Boogies this statement of yours is just perfect " A monetary REWARD for basic responsibility? " That is exactly what I was so p$zz e d off about.

It does not matter where the money comes from to pay to this stupitocity it is the fact that we are losing basic values !!!!!!!
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Whose the "we" you are referring to? Are you involved with the Rockefeller Foundation? This isn't a public program. It's a private charity organization teaming up with a local billionaire, so "you" and "your" money have nothing to do with it.
It is not only about who pays for this it is about the loss of taking basic resposibilities by the individual.
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Whose the "we" you are referring to? Are you involved with the Rockefeller Foundation? This isn't a public program. It's a private charity organization teaming up with a local billionaire, so "you" and "your" money have nothing to do with it.
It is not only about who pays for this it is about the loss of taking basic resposibilities by the individual.
I agree, it has it's downsides. That's why I'm going to take a wait and see attitude to the program. If it truly does add up to improved academic performance among poor students, it's worth the negatives. If after a year or two, it doesn't, than I'd say scrap it.
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Default not practical or politically viable to perform sterylization

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These are people who need to be sterilized, and then have their kids taken away from them (personal view, not political)!
It is not practical or politically viable to perform the surgical removal of these people from society. Even if we could " sterilize" these types of people we cannot guarantee that this errant gene is not present in other groups and it may surface elsewhere. We could end up "syterilizing" the entire country looking for this aberent gene.
The other problem is that mass sterylization may catch the attention of sneaking eyes such as the UN and they may tell on us.
You may want to look into another approach to solve this problem.

PS You do ealize that I have a nasty irreverent sarcastic streak don't you
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