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  1. Default Obama, through his naïve, foolish policies, is quickly losing Egypt

    These discussions were very good.

    "How much damage can one misguided American president do? We are about to find out."

    "By failing to have backed Mubarak, Obama committed the same sin that Eisenhower did in Cuba and Carter did in Iran. He needs to understand that the radical Islamists mean us ill, and any effort to appease them is bound to fail."

    "Losing Egypt to the grip of 
Islamic fundamentalism would be a huge blow to the United States, Israel and to the entire Western world."

    It would, literally, open the door to a theocratic Iranian-style empire stretching from Morocco to Iran. Inspired by an Islamic takeover in Egypt, Obama could find himself confronted with a Middle Eastern version of the old domino theory, where one nation after another falls to Islamism, with each new theocratic conquest destabilizing its neighbor.

    "If unfolding events in the Middle East do not radically change, Barack Obama will always and forever be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled."

    President Obama better hope that the crowds clamoring for an overthrow of the Mubarak regime really do achieve a functioning liberal democracy rather than an Iranian-style theocracy. His reelection hopes could be doomed if Iran takes over.

    Just as Nixon helped to discredit Harry Truman and defeat Democratic presidential nominee Adlai Stevenson in 1952 by trumpeting the question, “Who lost China?,” Obama may well have to explain how and why he lost Egypt. If he permits Egypt to slip through our fingers and go over to the Iranian sphere of influence, he will pay for it politically in 2012. Imagine if this president, whose domestic policy initiatives are coming apart at the seams, loses office over a foreign-policy blunder.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is allied closely with Hamas. To the extent that it masquerades as a peaceful body, it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Any coalition with the Brotherhood is as likely to remain secular as Hitler’s early coalition with von Hindenburg in Germany was likely to stay non-Nazi. The Muslim Brotherhood will take over if it gets its foot in the door.

    By failing to back Mubarak, Obama committed the same sin that Eisenhower did in Cuba and Carter did in Iran. He needs to understand that the radical Islamists mean us ill, and any effort to appease them is bound to fail.

    If Egypt falls, Obama will have permanently damaged America’s vital interests. Look at what Carter’s abandonment of the shah has already cost the world and is likely to cost it in the future. We now face the possibility that a radicalized Egypt could be Obama’s gift to the globe.

    Until now, Americans have regarded Obama’s flirtation with the Arab street with a mild concern that he may be too naïve in his understanding of that part of the world. But his policy of appeasement toward radical Islam has yet to have any bad consequence. We have had some terror attacks, to be sure, but none has risen to the level of a cataclysm. But losing Egypt to the grip of 
Islamic fundamentalism would be a huge blow to the United States, Israel and to the entire Western world.

    It would, literally, open the door to a theocratic Iranian-style empire stretching from Morocco to Iran. Inspired by an Islamic takeover in Egypt, Obama could find himself confronted with a Middle Eastern version of the old domino theory, where one nation after another falls to Islamism, with each new theocratic conquest destabilizing its neighbor.

    Remember that Iran has a population of 79 million and Egypt has 75 million. Together, their 154 million almost equal the combined population of all the other nations in North Africa and the Middle East. If Egypt and Iran were to work in tandem, they could control the region.

    By failing to back Mubarak and telling the Egyptian military to pull its punches and let the demonstrators take over the streets, the Obama administration has come to own responsibility for the outcome of the Egyptian revolution. If it goes south and leads to a disastrous outcome, as it is now dong, it will be his foreign policy that will rightly shoulder the blame.

    Obama should have backed Mubarak. Remember that Egypt was the first Arab nation to sign a peace deal with Israel and the only one to work with the Jewish state. It was in pursuit of peace that Anwar Sadat, Mubarak’s predecessor, gave his life.

    With the United States supplying $1.3 billion in annual aid to the Egyptian military — in addition to $700 million in other assistance — we have great leverage, particularly over the military. Our demands that they behave gently toward the demonstrators may doom their efforts to preserve the regime.

    How much damage can one misguided American president do? We are about to find out.

    http://thehill.com/opinion/columnist...s-losing-egypt
    Last edited by James Cessna; Dec 05 2011 at 03:13 PM.
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    We're supposed to believe its an accident....
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    Dick Morris is out of touch... The Muslim Brotherhood got 36% of the vote, the Salafists got 24% of the vote and the Liberals got 13% of the vote.

    Look to the MB to compromise and include the liberals..

    Of course Dick may think this is still 1960.

    Tunisia and Morocco both elected moderates.. Libya is drafting a Constitution like their previous Constitution from 1951 .... which I am sure you have read.

    Looks like moderate Islam is breaking out all over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BestViewedWithCable View Post
    We're supposed to believe its an accident....
    Hahahaha.. Dick Morris is a nincompoop.

    Egypt: 4 Pillars of Change- Optimism

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    In all my years I've absorbed just one piece of wisdom from Paul Krugman and mind you, it doesn't even begin to balance the scales. It was in the form of a question:

    "Is Iraq the way it is because of Saddam or is Saddam the way he is because of Iraq?"

    These islamic cultures are screwed. They will never be part of modernity until islam is abandoned or reformed. Thugocracy is about the most they can hope for.
    Last edited by Radio Refugee; Dec 05 2011 at 05:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BestViewedWithCable View Post

    We're supposed to believe its an accident....
    This part was very good.

    Obama's frequent missteps in this matter are unbelievable!

    "The Muslim Brotherhood is allied closely with Hamas. To the extent that it masquerades as a peaceful body, it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Any coalition with the Brotherhood is as likely to remain secular as Hitler’s early coalition with von Hindenburg in Germany was likely to stay non-Nazi. The Muslim Brotherhood will take over if it gets its foot in the door.

    By failing to back Mubarak, Obama committed the same sin that Eisenhower did in Cuba and Carter did in Iran. He needs to understand that the radical Islamists mean us ill, and any effort to appease them is bound to fail.

    If Egypt falls, Obama will have permanently damaged America’s vital interests. Look at what Carter’s abandonment of the shah has already cost the world and is likely to cost it in the future. We now face the possibility that a radicalized Egypt could be Obama’s gift to the globe.

    Until now, Americans have regarded Obama’s flirtation with the Arab street with a mild concern that he may be too naïve in his understanding of that part of the world. But his policy of appeasement toward radical Islam has yet to have any bad consequence. We have had some terror attacks, to be sure, but none has risen to the level of a cataclysm. But losing Egypt to the grip of 
Islamic fundamentalism would be a huge blow to the United States, Israel and to the entire Western world.

    It would, literally, open the door to a theocratic Iranian-style empire stretching from Morocco to Iran. Inspired by an Islamic takeover in Egypt, Obama could find himself confronted with a Middle Eastern version of the old domino theory, where one nation after another falls to Islamism, with each new theocratic conquest destabilizing its neighbor."
    James Cessna

    "If you give a man a fish (socialism), you feed him for a day. It you teach a man to fish (capitalism), you feed him and the people he employs for a lifetime."

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    How do you lose something that never belonged to you?
    Last edited by Questerr; Dec 05 2011 at 05:12 PM.
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    Me: "When the people who teach our children, protect us from fires and criminals, save our lives when we're injured, and defend us with their very lives make less in a year than a guy who throws a ball for a living makes in an hour, there is something truly (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up with our country."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radio Refugee View Post
    In all my years I've absorbed just one piece of wisdom from Paul Krugman and mind you, it doesn't even begin to balance the scales. It was in the form of a question:

    "Is Iraq the way it is because of Saddam or is Saddam the way he is because of Iraq?"

    These islamic cultures are screwed. They will never be part of modernity until islam is abandoned or reformed. Thugocracy is about the most they can hope for.
    LOLOLOL.. Paul Krugmanlooks at the world thru Jewish prejudice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Cessna View Post
    These discussions were very good.

    "How much damage can one misguided American president do? We are about to find out."

    "By failing to have backed Mubarak, Obama committed the same sin that Eisenhower did in Cuba and Carter did in Iran. He needs to understand that the radical Islamists mean us ill, and any effort to appease them is bound to fail."

    "Losing Egypt to the grip of 
Islamic fundamentalism would be a huge blow to the United States, Israel and to the entire Western world."

    It would, literally, open the door to a theocratic Iranian-style empire stretching from Morocco to Iran. Inspired by an Islamic takeover in Egypt, Obama could find himself confronted with a Middle Eastern version of the old domino theory, where one nation after another falls to Islamism, with each new theocratic conquest destabilizing its neighbor.

    "If unfolding events in the Middle East do not radically change, Barack Obama will always and forever be remembered as the president who "lost" Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled."


    Dick Morris is a moron, who knows about as much about Egypt, as he does about keeping his idiotic opinions to himself. The most harmful thing America has done to itself in the Middle East, has been it's continuing support for the various tyrannical governments in the Middle East. The entire reasons any "Islamists mean us harm" is because we do support those tyrannies, who turn around and oppress their people(notably Islamic groups). If we ended our support for tyrannies in the region, the number of people who wanted to do us harm among Muslims would magically shrink very quickly. Yet Dick Morris means to keep us safe from scary Islamists by giving them even more ammunition to use against America. What a particularly moronic idea. Dick Morris is ignorant of almost everything, but on this issue he really achieves a special kind of ignorance. Dick Morris is a cancer on the American body politic, and used to be hated by right wingers when he was a Clinton fan-boy. See how easily they flip-flop when one of the soulless political leeches switches over to bashing the party they have been brainwashed into hating. It is really silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frodly View Post
    Dick Morris is a moron, who knows about as much about Egypt, as he does about keeping his idiotic opinions to himself. The most harmful thing America has done to itself in the Middle East, has been it's continuing support for the various tyrannical governments in the Middle East. The entire reasons any "Islamists mean us harm" is because we do support those tyrannies, who turn around and oppress their people(notably Islamic groups). If we ended our support for tyrannies in the region, the number of people who wanted to do us harm among Muslims would magically shrink very quickly.

    Yet Dick Morris means to keep us safe from scary Islamists by giving them even more ammunition to use against America. What a particularly moronic idea. Dick Morris is ignorant of almost everything, but on this issue he really achieves a special kind of ignorance. Dick Morris is a cancer on the American body politic, and used to be hated by right wingers when he was a Clinton fan-boy. See how easily they flip-flop when one of the soulless political leeches switches over to bashing the party they have been brainwashed into hating. It is really silly.

    These ninnies don't care about Egypt .. they just want to bash Obama.. and like Dick Morris they have no clue what is going on there.

    Imagine how horrified they will be if Egypt succeeds.


    Egypt: 4 Pillars of Change- Optimism

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