Lib dimwit learns what "your time has expired" means. - Page 11

BuckNaked · #**101** (**permalink**) 09-24-2007, 12:23 PM

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It's kinda like saying gays are stupid or at least that they can't think beyond their homosexuality.

Your words not mine! I happen to think that SS is extremely intellegent, a little mixed up in his beliefs, but now that you mention it, it is no different than someone criticizing another for liberalism when they do not walk the line of neo-conism. Whatever the line may be important for that particular today?

There is a lot more to conservatism than strong defense, fair taxes, and/or abortions. Unfortunately these are the ones most discussed. Only problem is, it takes more than just spending a lot of money with little results to claim strong defense. Most so-called conservatives (of the neo-con variety) do not want fair taxes they just want deductions that benefit them. And I am pretty sure that not only liberals have abortions, in fact I know of several good Christians who have taken care of the situation for their daughters, even back in the day before it was used as a form of birth control!

I also stand by my original assumption from reading your source;

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Real words with real definitions! You own a dictionary dontcha? (rhetorical)Neo-cons are "liberals" with an agenda that realize they needed to appear conservative to utilize the Christian/conservative Right to obtain their goals, by trickery. AKA con artists!

Neo-cons also know they must ignore the wishes of any other social class, and uphold the self imposed delusion that they are right and everybody else is wrong, AKA supremacy/supremacists!

Neo-con(artists)/supremacists! I just calls em as I sees em!

Looting the government is what neo-conservatism is all about, and the defense ploy is about obtaining tax dollars in large quantities! So bro, defense and taxes to a neo-con are one in the same! Be afraid, be very afraid!

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Irving Kristol wrote: "If there is any one thing that neoconservatives are unanimous about, it is their dislike of the counterculture."[19] Norman Podhoretz agreed: "Revulsion against the counterculture accounted for more converts to neoconservatism than any other single factor.”

And what is the countercultures that was such a threat to our society?

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In sociology, counterculture is a term used to describe the values and norms of behavior of a cultural group, or subculture, that run counter to those of the social mainstream of the day, the cultural equivalent of political opposition. This was a neologism from 1969 attributed to Theodore Roszak.[1] Although distinct countercultural undercurrents exist in all societies, here the term counterculture refers to a more significant, visible phenomenon that reaches critical mass and persists for a period of time. A counterculture movement thus expresses the ethos, aspirations and dreams of a specific population during a certain period of time — a social manifestation of zeitgeist. Countercultural milieux in 19th century Europe included the traditions of Romanticism, Bohemianism and of the Dandy. Another movement existed in a more fragmentary form in the 1950s, both in Europe and the US, in the form of the Beat generation/Beatniks.

A significance of counterculture beginning in the 1950's would be Playboy magazine, considered obscene during the period but alright for distribution in the modern world.

The counterculture of the 1960s began in the United States as a reaction against the social norms of the 1950s, segregation in the Deep South, and the Vietnam War.[2][3] During the 1960s, tensions developed along generational lines regarding experimentation with drugs, race relations, sexual freedom and women's rights. New cultural norms emerged. The Hippies became the largest countercultural movement in the United States fighting for more openness within main stream culture in civil rights especially drugs and the escalating involvement and conflict in Vietnam.

The term 'counterculture' came to prominence in the news media as it was used to refer to the youth rebellion that swept North America, Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand during the 1960s and early 1970s.

While Phil Donahue pioneered the tabloid talk show genre in the 1970s, the warmth, intimacy and personal confession Oprah Winfrey brought to the format in 1986 both popularized and revolutionized it. In the scholarly text Freaks Talk Back[2], Yale sociology professor Joshua Gamson credits the tabloid talk show genre with providing much needed high impact media visibility for gays, bisexuals, transsexuals, and transgender people and doing more to make gays socially acceptable than any other development of the 20th century.

In the 1980s, there were shows where, for the entire hour, members of the studio audience stood up one by one, gave their names and announced that they were gay. Also in the 1980s Winfrey took her show to West Virginia to confront a town gripped by AIDS paranoia because a gay man living in the town had HIV.

The Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender community (commonly abbreviated as the “LGBT” community), mostly evident in North America, Western Europe, Australasia and South Africa, fits the definition of a countercultural movement as "a cultural group whose values and norms of behavior run counter to those of the social mainstream of the day". Aside from breaking away from the traditional accepted sexual mores of American / western culture, it has weathered continual opposition from some more conservative elements of society.
At the outset of the 20th century, homosexual acts were punishable offenses in these countries. The prevailing public attitude was that homosexuality was a moral failing that should be punished, as exemplified by Oscar Wilde’s 1895 trial and imprisonment for "gross indecency." But even then, there were dissenting views. Sigmund Freud publicly expressed his opinion that homosexuality was a perfectly normal condition for some people.[citation needed]
According to Charles Kaiser’s The Gay Metropolis, there were already semi-public gay-themed gatherings by the mid-1930s US (such as the annual drag balls held during the Harlem Renaissance). There were also many bars & bath-houses that catered to gay clientele and adopted warning procedures (similar to those used by prohibition-era speakeasies and 21st century smokeasies) to warn customers of police raids. But homosexuality was typically subsumed into bohemian culture, and was not a significant movement in itself.[4]
During World War II, millions of American men & women were uprooted from their homes, and relocated to large port cities, such as New York City and San Francisco, either en route to tours of duty in Europe or to the Pacific, or to serve in the home-front war effort. Being somewhat anonymous in the large urban areas, and separated from 'shaming' societal figures, many gay men and lesbians who otherwise would have spent their lives closeted were exposed to nascent gay culture. When the war ended, many of these people chose to permanently settle in New York and San Francisco and live more openly gay lives[citation needed].
A genuine gay culture began to take root, albeit very discreetly, with its own styles, attitudes and behaviors. And numerous industries began catering to this growing demographic group. For example, publishing houses cranked out pulp novels like The Well of Loneliness or The Velvet Underground that were targeted directly at gay people. By the early 1960s, openly gay political organizations such as the Mattachine Society were formally protesting abusive treatment toward gay people, challenging the entrenched idea that homosexuality was an aberrant condition, and calling for the decriminalization of homosexuality. Despite very limited sympathy, American society began at least to acknowledge the existence of a sizable population of gays. The film The Boys in the Band, for example, featured negative portrayals of gay men, but at least recognized that they did in fact fraternize with each other (as opposed to being isolated, solitary predators who ‘victimized’ straight men).
A watershed event was the 1969 Stonewall riots in New York City. Following this event, gays and lesbians began adopting the militant street protest tactics used by anti-war and black power radicals to confront anti-gay ideology. Perhaps the zenith of this period was the 1973 decision by the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the official list of mental disorders.[5] Although gay radicals did use pressure tactics to force the decision, Kaiser notes that this had been an issue of some debate for many years in the psychiatric community, and that one of the chief obstacles to normalizing homosexuality was that therapists were getting rich offering dubious, unproven "cures".[6]
The AIDS epidemic was a massive, unexpected blow to the movement, especially in North America. Many gays feared (and many fundamentalists hoped) that the disease would permanently drive gay life underground. But even AIDS had ironic, positive consequences. Many of the early victims of the disease had been openly gay only within the confines of insular gay ghettos (like NYC’s Greenwich Village and San Francisco’s Castro); they remained closeted in their professional lives and to their families. Many straights who thought they didn't know any gay people were confronted with friends, siblings and loved ones who were dying of ‘the gay plague.’ Gay people were increasingly seen not only as victims of a disease, but as victims of ostracism and hatred. Most importantly, the disease became a rallying point for a previously complacent gay community. Gay people once again became political and fought not only for a medical response to the plague, but also for wider acceptance of homosexuality in mainstream America. Ultimately, coming out in all aspects of one's life became an important step for many gay people.
The word "queer" had once been used as a derogatory term. During the 1980s gay people reclaimed the word as a defiant, pro-gay term. Its use became a broad declaration that gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people would no longer 'apologize' for themselves, or try to placate homophobic elements.
In 2003, the United States Supreme Court officially decriminalized all sodomy laws.[7] Virtually every large city and community in America has its own network of bars, gay-oriented businesses and community centers[citation needed]. Annual gay pride events take place throughout the US and the world. Many of the current debates concerning gay people (such as same-sex marriage and parenting) would have been unthinkable even 20 years ago[citation needed]. As of 2007, the gay community is focusing on marital rights, although sufficient numbers of Americans oppose gay marriage to the point that 27 state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage have been passed by comfortable popular margins of 60-80%. This indicates that despite the wider acceptance and tolerance of gay life, it is still viewed by mainstream American society as an aberration, making it in every sense one of several contemporary 'countercultures'.

People such as yourself SS, are the reason that neo-conservatism has as big a following as they do, yet you proudly insist you agree with the neo-cons, “conservative values". Once again I mean no offence but I do find this rather strange??

If you want to disguss it futher maybe we should start another thread though?