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Old 10-25-2007, 02:57 AM
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Default so, what happens if the surge works?

So, here's my question-du-jour for the pro-war crowd:

What do you think will happen, if the surge "works"?

Like, the "Anbar miracle" becomes permanent, and suddenly our troops find themselves bored with nothing to do -

And let's say Bushie starts bringing a few of 'em home..... (or not, whatever)....

But the question is, what do you think will happen after that?
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Old 10-25-2007, 04:26 AM
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So, here's my question-du-jour for the pro-war crowd:

What do you think will happen, if the surge "works"?

Like, the "Anbar miracle" becomes permanent, and suddenly our troops find themselves bored with nothing to do -

And let's say Bushie starts bringing a few of 'em home..... (or not, whatever)....

But the question is, what do you think will happen after that?
It would be the worst thing in the world for democrats, and they're not going to let that happen.

Also, our main stream media would have to shut down, they would have nothing to report on. You do know they only like to report news that hurts Bush and the United States

Has anyone else noticed? Why hasn't there been few if any news articles on how well the surge is going or how well our troops are doing. Why is that?
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Default yeah, but.... that's not the question

The question is more along the lines of the "exit strategy".

You know, "what happens after we leave", that kind of thing.

So, let's say, the "Anbar surprise" takes hold longer-term, and the Shi'a decide they're better off playing nice for a while -

And let's say we "draw down".

What do you see happening then?
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The question is more along the lines of the "exit strategy".

You know, "what happens after we leave", that kind of thing.

So, let's say, the "Anbar surprise" takes hold longer-term, and the Shi'a decide they're better off playing nice for a while -

And let's say we "draw down".

What do you see happening then?
After what the US has endured from the haters and nay sayers, we will not just walk. We will be careful to put in place an Iraqi gov. well enough equipped to handle the terrorists or any other foreign dominator.

And I can guarantee you, it will not make headline news.
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"Works" is as an archaic statement as "win"!

What exactly constitutes, that it has indeed worked? Low body counts? The end of their civil war? Christian converts? Democracy? Maybe a new American territory will settle things once and for all?

What does it mean? What is the goal of this war, I mean besides looting the piggybank and getting a selected few richer?

...and just exactly who stated that there ever was/will be an exit strategy? This is a never ending profiteering venture, or at least until a religious Armageddon puts a permanent damper on things?
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so, what happens if the surge works?
Define "works." Does that mean the same thing as "we won?"

If it doesn't mean we won, the fact that "the surge works" just indicates that we will continue down the same path with the same goal of eventually winning, because "the surge working" isn't permanent and there are no guarantees.

A better way of stating this phrase would be; "the surge is working for now."
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It would be the worst thing in the world for democrats, and they're not going to let that happen.

Also, our main stream media would have to shut down, they would have nothing to report on. You do know they only like to report news that hurts Bush and the United States

Has anyone else noticed? Why hasn't there been few if any news articles on how well the surge is going or how well our troops are doing. Why is that?
You hit the nail right on the head.

The Socialists are INVESTED on America's defeat in Iraq. I wouldn't doubt that Harry Reid secretly marvels over every bit of bad news that comes out of Iraq. They WANT bad news in Iraq. They WANT to hear that the surge isn't working.

Look...the Socialists only want ONE thing...total control over EVERYONE. Their thinking is, the more deaths during the Bush administration, the better for THEM. Every roadside bomb that goes off, is a small victory for their party. Every Al Qaida leader captured, is a glaring defeat.

Bronco's right...you can always tell how well we're doing in Iraq, by how much news DOESN'T come outta there.
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What do you think will happen, if the surge "works"?

Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups will be dealt a tough blow that will set them back years and years.

Iraq will be strong enough to have its own security forces and we will be able to pull ours out.

An ally will be established in the swamp that is the middle-east instead of the terror-supporting raping murdering tyrant that bread the disease of anti-western terrorist thought.

Pressure will be put on neighboring nations to move towards reform instead of tyranny and terrorism.

Schools in Iraq will teach reading and arithmetic instead of hatred for the west/Christianians/Irael.

Hamas and hezbollah will have lost a major source of funding and support.

An influence of peace instead of a nation that attacks its neighbors will be established.

The fear of a rich enemy with the intent of destroying us will have been removed.

The press in Iraq will let the people know what is going on instead of promoting insane anti-western conspiracy propoganda.

The world will finally have acheived whirled peas.

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Now that one is profound a statement as I ever heard about what is really going on in Iraq! The rest may be reasonable hopes and dreams, but it certainly isn't the goal of those tugging at our country’s purse strings.

It will take them several generations to fulfill those goals, and they are the only ones who can make it so, but they have to show some incentive. Your talking about creating a completely new mindset in the ME, which is not very likely scenario. We cannot continue to baby-sit them.

Besides, peace and prosperity isn't as profitable as chaos and turmoil! Never has been, never will be!

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Why hasn't there been few if any news articles on how well the surge is going or how well our troops are doing. Why is that?
Why I heard just this morning that there has been a significant drop in the death rate of soldiers since the surge began, but FAUX News wouldn’t say what the percentage was? Why are they holding back the numbers?

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U.S. military deaths in Iraq fell to 64 in September, the fourth straight drop since peaking at 121 in May and driving the toll to a 14-month low."

Civilian deaths also have plunged, dropping by more than half from August to 884.

The just-ended holy month of Ramadan in Iraq was accompanied by a 40% drop in violence, even though al-Qaida had vowed to step up attacks."

Last month, 1,200 Iraqis waited patiently in line in Iraq's searing heat to sign up to fight al-Qaida. They will join an estimated 30,000 volunteers in the past six months — a clear sign the tide has turned in the battle for average Iraqis' hearts and minds."

Five million Iraqi children returned to school last week, largely without incident, following their summer vacations."

The surge of 28,500 new troops announced by President Bush last February, and put in place in mid-June by Gen. Petraeus, seems to have worked amazingly well.
In fact all the previous surges have worked, which is not and has never been the question? What happens next? Will the trend continue once we start cutting back, or will it worsen. All I know is if there is a complete pull out, which I do not see happening no matter who assumes the White House as it’s new resident, I wouldn’t want to be one of the last thousand Americans left to hold down the fort!
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Now that one is profound a statement as I ever heard about what is really going on in Iraq! The rest may be reasonable hopes and dreams

Sorry, I got caught up in the moment.
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