Government Fails Again...While California Burns... - Page 2

Joker · #11 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 05:08 AM

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Been to the DMV lately??

Yup. My average wait time in the past couple years is twenty minutes. I went through a car inspection two months ago and was in and out in about 30 minutes.

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The government incompetence has enraged people in california - tell the thousands of people whose house burnt down, the millions of people who have to breathe smoke, the parents of children at many schools whose classes have been cancelled, the businesses which have lost a fortune, that the government did a wonderful job. Really, come here and do that. There's places and people who will punch your dumb face for saying that. Congressman Rorhbacher from orange county said he's going to seek a congressional investigation, like Katrina. I'm thinking he might not get it, because the democrats run congress, and the blacks in NO were their clients. The main culprits here were new liberal Schwarzeneggar and the Calfornia democrat-controlled statehouse, so they might just ignore it.

I'm not trying to say that the government did a wonderful job. I'm saying that greater accountability is no guarantee of greater service, especially when it comes to something has wildly unpredictable as disaster relief.

When push comes to shove, sh-t happens, and many times there's not a whole lot you can do about it. If people are looking for someone to blame for their loses, they should blame themselves for moving into such a dangerous area.

crestwood33 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 05:09 AM

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Considering Bush has done nothing since taking office in 2000

Extremist statements like this make you easy to ignore because you obviously have no objectivity. I think the best thing GWB did was to appoint two judges to the Supreme Court that uphold the Constitution.

The Federal government can lend assistance with these disasters. The National Guard did great with Katrina while FEMA stumbled. It is really up to the local government and California has proved itself much more efficient than New Orleans. New Orleans politicians seemed to put politics ahead of peoples lives. There will always be complaints and always some legitimate complaints in a disaster of this magnitude.

...................................... Katrina was a 200 year event, California fights the same fires EVERY YEAR???

jhffmn · #13 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 06:03 AM

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The article doesn't really explain why a privatized system would improve matters.

And it actually brings up the blackouts, which is further evidence of private sector incompetence.

Actually, the rolling blackouts came about because government screwed up and only deregulated half the industry.

The energy exchange was a neat idea.

Basically, it bought electricity for whatever the highest price was each day.

The electric companies thought, cool lets fake some blackouts and pretend that energy is scarce to drive the prices way up.

That's not an example of privatism gone bad, its an example of how a free market can be screwed by the government. Articifial markets can be easily gamed.

Blade · #14 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 11:47 AM

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Been to the DMV lately??

Yup. My average wait time in the past couple years is twenty minutes. I went through a car inspection two months ago and was in and out in about 30 minutes.

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The government incompetence has enraged people in california - tell the thousands of people whose house burnt down, the millions of people who have to breathe smoke, the parents of children at many schools whose classes have been cancelled, the businesses which have lost a fortune, that the government did a wonderful job. Really, come here and do that. There's places and people who will punch your dumb face for saying that. Congressman Rorhbacher from orange county said he's going to seek a congressional investigation, like Katrina. I'm thinking he might not get it, because the democrats run congress, and the blacks in NO were their clients. The main culprits here were new liberal Schwarzeneggar and the Calfornia democrat-controlled statehouse, so they might just ignore it.

I'm not trying to say that the government did a wonderful job. I'm saying that greater accountability is no guarantee of greater service, especially when it comes to something has wildly unpredictable as disaster relief.

When push comes to shove, sh-t happens, and many times there's not a whole lot you can do about it. If people are looking for someone to blame for their loses, they should blame themselves for moving into such a dangerous area.

Saying there's nothing you can do, in the face of the government incompetence and negligence during the fires is just waving away the facts. P.S.: Call Arnold's flak and give him that "it's the peoples' fault" one - he'll be glad to get it.

Daybreaker · #15 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 12:49 PM

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The article doesn't really explain why a privatized system would improve matters.

Because of the general reasons why privatized systems are better. A private contractor, after this, would be bankrupted by lawsuits, probably go to jail for criminal negligence. A private contractor knows this going in. But since it's the Great White Father, with the system controlled by unaccountable bureaucrats, nothing's on the line personally, so they don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*). Is this a revelation to you? Been to the DMV lately??

The government incompetence has enraged people in california - tell the thousands of people whose house burnt down, the millions of people who have to breathe smoke, the parents of children at many schools whose classes have been cancelled, the businesses which have lost a fortune, that the government did a wonderful job. Really, come here and do that. There's places and people who will punch your dumb face for saying that. Congressman Rorhbacher from orange county said he's going to seek a congressional investigation, like Katrina. I'm thinking he might not get it, because the democrats run congress, and the blacks in NO were their clients. The main culprits here were new liberal Schwarzeneggar and the Calfornia democrat-controlled statehouse, so they might just ignore it.

Sounds to me like you've made a Great White Father out of private insurance. None of the things you said about private insurance are true. Private companies are run every bit as much by bureaucrats with no personal accountability. You think they'd be bankrupt by now? They just take it out on their consumers! And unlike the rich white bureaucrats in government, the rich white bureaucrats in private industry can't even claim to have been elected. They can just claim to be rich and white.

Not that the government is much better. But at least someone voted for it.

Joker · #16 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 04:37 PM

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Been to the DMV lately??

Yup. My average wait time in the past couple years is twenty minutes. I went through a car inspection two months ago and was in and out in about 30 minutes.

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The government incompetence has enraged people in california - tell the thousands of people whose house burnt down, the millions of people who have to breathe smoke, the parents of children at many schools whose classes have been cancelled, the businesses which have lost a fortune, that the government did a wonderful job. Really, come here and do that. There's places and people who will punch your dumb face for saying that. Congressman Rorhbacher from orange county said he's going to seek a congressional investigation, like Katrina. I'm thinking he might not get it, because the democrats run congress, and the blacks in NO were their clients. The main culprits here were new liberal Schwarzeneggar and the Calfornia democrat-controlled statehouse, so they might just ignore it.

I'm not trying to say that the government did a wonderful job. I'm saying that greater accountability is no guarantee of greater service, especially when it comes to something has wildly unpredictable as disaster relief.

When push comes to shove, sh-t happens, and many times there's not a whole lot you can do about it. If people are looking for someone to blame for their loses, they should blame themselves for moving into such a dangerous area.

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Saying there's nothing you can do, in the face of the government incompetence and negligence during the fires is just waving away the facts.

Saying it's a good idea to build million dollar homes in that area of California because you want a nice view is just waving away the facts, too. And then on top of that, these people, who knowing put themselves in harms way, complain that the government didn't save their homes. Too f-ing bad.

I beginning to agree with you. If people are going to build their homes in incredible dangerous areas with a risk of fires, landslides, and earthquakes, let them buy their own disaster relief. Why should the rest of us pay for their stupidity?

P.S.: Call Arnold's flak and give him that "it's the peoples' fault" one - he'll be glad to get it.

f100supersabr · #17 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 04:52 PM

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From what I heard/read it appears that the CALIFORNIA INFOERO response weant very well.

You heard wrong. "Went well" compared to what? Katrina????????????

yes compared to Katrina !! That is what the Femanists are being measured against - KATRINA!!!!

Wildbore · #18 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 01:30 AM

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The article doesn't really explain why a privatized system would improve matters.

And it actually brings up the blackouts, which is further evidence of private sector incompetence.

Actually, the rolling blackouts came about because government screwed up and only deregulated half the industry.

Government screwed up by considering deregulation in the first place. Almost every place with a deregulated market has higher prices than a regulated market, in addition to worse service and more blackouts.

People in regulated markets enjoy stability and low prices, like me.

jhffmn · #19 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 04:56 AM

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People in regulated markets enjoy stability and low prices, like me.

Of course, the prices aren't really low. Someone is subsidizing the government market to keep prices "low".

Nothing to worry about if that someone isn't you.