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Old 07-09-2004, 05:44 AM
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Default International court to rule on Israel barrier

The International Court of Justice is expected to rule Friday on whether Israel's barrier violates international law -- a ruling that Israeli officials have already said they will not recognize.

Israel says the West Bank barrier is an effort to halt terrorist attacks by Palestinians. In some areas, the barrier is a fence; in others, it takes the form of a concrete wall.

But Palestinians say the barrier is a land grab.

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Old 07-09-2004, 06:16 AM
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This is the Israeli's going too far. While everyone acknowledges their right to protect themselves, they do not have the right to block off Palestinians from medical facilities, their jobs and they cannot put them in a cage. The existence of this wall just ensures that peace will not be achieved between these people. This sort of action from the Israelis forces Palestinians to take dratic masures against them. What other options are they left with? In many cases this wall cuts off Palestinians off from their own settlements. The fact that they are going to snub the Int't court shows that Israel feels they can do whatever they want as long as they are backed by the US.

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It doesn't matter what the Hague will rule. At least Israel's High Court ordered the wall be rerouted, but it also approved the wall concept in general.

Of the quartet, only the US has enough leverage to force Israel to stop the project, but we all know that's not going to happen.
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...but if the hague rules against the wall, then it will show the israili's that they won't have entire international support in the future. i think this ruling could be very important. If the court votes against it, then it will probably enrage the active, and inactive, palestinians into fighting because then they will see that they don't have international support. fighting will ensue, and i forsee another big battle between the israili's and the islamic countries. this time i believe that it will be a lot bigger and the islamic people won't give up so easily.

I see this effecting the entire relationship with us the palestinians the muslims and the israili's. hey and if the fighting gets to intense, russia might even join in the fighting especially if israel starts taking land to close to russia's borders.




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tell me why, should they do that.

Palenstinians seem to always get the pass.

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I see this effecting the entire relationship with us the palestinians the muslims and the israili's. hey and if the fighting gets to intense, russia might even join in the fighting especially if israel starts taking land to close to russia's borders.
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The last thing Israel wants is more disgruntled Muslims within it's borders. Israel won't be embarking on any new territorial claims. So we're safe from that scenario.
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tell me why, should they do that.

Palenstinians seem to always get the pass.

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A wall? The best way to defend yourself is a wall? Why don't all sovereign nations then build huge walls between their nations instead? Especially a wall which goes through territory, the nature of which, is highly controversial.

The Palestinian claim about this wall is also correct, any land left within the Israeli part of the wall will be hard to handover to Palestine when, and if, a peace is ever reached. It is effectively a land grab, whatever the Israelis claim.
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tell me why, should they do that.

Palenstinians seem to always get the pass.

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B/c it is against International Law to cage in human beings. Walls solve nothing, all they do is prevent peace from happening. Look at Berlin. Thismove just shows the Israelis have no intentions of making peace with the palestinians. If I were a palestinian I would probably fight too. Wouldn't you?

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tell me why, should they do that.

Palenstinians seem to always get the pass.

that my friends is crap
B/c it is against International Law to cage in human beings. Walls solve nothing, all they do is prevent peace from happening. Look at Berlin. Thismove just shows the Israelis have no intentions of making peace with the palestinians. If I were a palestinian I would probably fight too. Wouldn't you?

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I do, I mean I may be ignorant, but I'd rather put a wall up to protect myself then risk killing innocents or even allow terrorists to come into my borders.

I'm sorry that I can't appreciate tearing down a wall that has helped caused suicide bombings to stop
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This sort of action from the Israelis forces Palestinians to take dratic masures against them.

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And the drastic measures taken by the Palestinians before the wall was erected was a result of what? I don't agree with the wall either but to say the wall will cause drastic measures seems odd since drastic measure already have been taken. (Sheesh, did that make sense?)
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tell me why, should they do that.

Palenstinians seem to always get the pass.

that my friends is crap
B/c it is against International Law to cage in human beings. Walls solve nothing, all they do is prevent peace from happening. Look at Berlin. Thismove just shows the Israelis have no intentions of making peace with the palestinians. If I were a palestinian I would probably fight too. Wouldn't you?

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I do, I mean I may be ignorant, but I'd rather put a wall up to protect myself then risk killing innocents or even allow terrorists to come into my borders.

I'm sorry that I can't appreciate tearing down a wall that has helped caused suicide bombings to stop
But the bombings still continue. The only difference now is that the walls have essentially cut off Palestinian settlements from Palestinians and they were kicked out of their own homes. Turning Palestinian land into Israeli land. Now they don't have access to hospitals, their jobs and many other services.

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